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snarkivist ([info]snarkivist) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-03 21:52:00


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Entry tags:genderblah

The Vulva Superstar PC Revue
[info]bellasmommy links to a [info]vaginapagina mod post about whether or not everyone who owns a vagina isn't grossly butthurt when it's implied that zhe is a woman.

[info]stupid_free disagrees. For 700 comments, and counting....

Choice bits:

[info]jack_jackrum: Some people who have vaginas are not women, ladies, or girls. I don't see how this is hard to understand. Have you been under a rock for the last 50 years?
[info]freezer818: Seems like overdramatic, oversensitive hair-splitting that will cause more drama than it's meant to prevent. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly man. *crawls back under rock*

[info]pettythiefIn the example the poster gives (paraphrasing) "recommend that women get pap-tests", how do you re-write that sentence so as not to offend people who have a cervix but don't call themselves 'a woman'? Can it be done? What are you supposed to say? "People with a cervix"? "Vagina-sapiens"? Is it fair of the cisgendered people to expect everyone to perform lexical gymnastics when they represent a tiny proportion of the populace? Unless of course there's a disproportionate number in that community, in which case it's a whole different ball-game.


...and, with that, I think I've burned out, since this whole post makes my head ache. Let's pick a pronoun and go with it.

The real problem is with a safe space that's so safe you're not allowed to say anything at all.



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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 04:41 am UTC (link)
Pretty much. X doesn't identify as a gender. X will throw a bitchfit if you use a single pronoun--including zie and hir--to refer to X, so anytime you refer to X, you have to say X. It's like singing Rufus Xavier Sasparilla but you CAN'T use pronouns.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-08-04 06:53 am UTC (link)
Well, isn't X a special snowflake.

Though it'd be nice if we could agree, I mean really agree, on a gender-indeterminate pronoun set (preferably with none of the forms sounding like existing ones) for English, because "they" has its own set of problems even if it's getting to be common usage, i.e., grammatical weirdness and people bitching about how it's sooooo wroooooong and "he" is technically the correct usage.

/wipes up

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-04 08:00 am UTC (link)
Oh, X is a very special snowflake. X can hate whatever X wants, and say whatever X wants, but if you ever tell X to shove it, X says that you're close minded and not open to all people's choices.

I'm open minded, but I like to keep my brains IN.

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2007-08-04 04:18 pm UTC (link)
X is a complete tool.

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-08-04 09:02 pm UTC (link)
How does she respond when someone refers to her as "it"? I'm sure someone must have done it.

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[info]beckyh2112
2007-08-05 12:31 am UTC (link)
*flashbacks to an ex-friend who insisted on being referred to as 'it'* And she never could get it through her head that I found it extremely rude to refer to another human being as an 'it'.

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-05 01:10 am UTC (link)
X gets offended that you are comparing X to a table. (X would be pissed as hell to live in a Romance language country, where stuff has gender.)

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-08-05 02:06 am UTC (link)
Does she get offended if you call her "you", too?

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[info]kittikattie
2007-08-05 05:04 am UTC (link)
I think that's the one pronoun that doesn't offend X--that and first person.

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