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snarkivist ([info]snarkivist) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-03 21:52:00


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Entry tags:genderblah

The Vulva Superstar PC Revue
[info]bellasmommy links to a [info]vaginapagina mod post about whether or not everyone who owns a vagina isn't grossly butthurt when it's implied that zhe is a woman.

[info]stupid_free disagrees. For 700 comments, and counting....

Choice bits:

[info]jack_jackrum: Some people who have vaginas are not women, ladies, or girls. I don't see how this is hard to understand. Have you been under a rock for the last 50 years?
[info]freezer818: Seems like overdramatic, oversensitive hair-splitting that will cause more drama than it's meant to prevent. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly man. *crawls back under rock*

[info]pettythiefIn the example the poster gives (paraphrasing) "recommend that women get pap-tests", how do you re-write that sentence so as not to offend people who have a cervix but don't call themselves 'a woman'? Can it be done? What are you supposed to say? "People with a cervix"? "Vagina-sapiens"? Is it fair of the cisgendered people to expect everyone to perform lexical gymnastics when they represent a tiny proportion of the populace? Unless of course there's a disproportionate number in that community, in which case it's a whole different ball-game.


...and, with that, I think I've burned out, since this whole post makes my head ache. Let's pick a pronoun and go with it.

The real problem is with a safe space that's so safe you're not allowed to say anything at all.



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[info]red_eft
2007-08-04 06:46 am UTC (link)
I'm... not sure why it's so difficult to say "people with vaginas," actually.

I'm moderately amused at the fact that people on stupid_free are making a way bigger deal over this than, say, the community it's affecting- the responses on VP are all positive- but only moderately. Mostly it's just depressing. :/

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[info]tangentialone
2007-08-04 07:00 am UTC (link)
Or, you know, "Hey everybody," "Hey people," "Hey y'all". I mean, one hopes that phrasing wouldn't result in a flurry of XY-chromosomers going on about how it was including them and it SHOULDN'T be.

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[info]red_eft
2007-08-04 07:09 am UTC (link)
Well- I was thinking in the context of "people with vaginas should get regular pap smears," or some such. But yes! Gender-neutral greetings are not unreasonable, folks.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-08-04 07:11 am UTC (link)
Oh, I see what you mean. That, too!

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[info]tehrin
2007-08-04 07:25 am UTC (link)
We could just say "Vagina-People" and "Penis-People" from now on. That should make everybody happy. But then, if I joined that community, I'd be unable to get through a post without snickering.

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[info]nekoama
2007-08-04 12:05 pm UTC (link)
Or simplify it even more and just divide between 'V's and 'P's.
Then then will there come the gang wars?

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[info]tehrin
2007-08-04 03:59 pm UTC (link)
Only if they include musical numbers!

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[info]sashenka
2007-08-04 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Please let there be snapping, Jesus!

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[info]snarkivist
2007-08-04 05:43 pm UTC (link)

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[info]snarkivist
2007-08-04 05:45 pm UTC (link)
Dang. Stupid Journalfen.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m8R9GiLImSw

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[info]goldberry
2007-08-05 04:57 am UTC (link)
Our side clearly has the cooler gang sign. *Flashes the V*

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[info]panthea
2007-08-05 01:39 pm UTC (link)
"One, two, three, VAGINA!"

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[info]chili_power
2007-08-04 11:53 am UTC (link)
Agreeing on the depressing part :(

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