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snarkivist ([info]snarkivist) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-03 21:52:00


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The Vulva Superstar PC Revue
[info]bellasmommy links to a [info]vaginapagina mod post about whether or not everyone who owns a vagina isn't grossly butthurt when it's implied that zhe is a woman.

[info]stupid_free disagrees. For 700 comments, and counting....

Choice bits:

[info]jack_jackrum: Some people who have vaginas are not women, ladies, or girls. I don't see how this is hard to understand. Have you been under a rock for the last 50 years?
[info]freezer818: Seems like overdramatic, oversensitive hair-splitting that will cause more drama than it's meant to prevent. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly man. *crawls back under rock*

[info]pettythiefIn the example the poster gives (paraphrasing) "recommend that women get pap-tests", how do you re-write that sentence so as not to offend people who have a cervix but don't call themselves 'a woman'? Can it be done? What are you supposed to say? "People with a cervix"? "Vagina-sapiens"? Is it fair of the cisgendered people to expect everyone to perform lexical gymnastics when they represent a tiny proportion of the populace? Unless of course there's a disproportionate number in that community, in which case it's a whole different ball-game.


...and, with that, I think I've burned out, since this whole post makes my head ache. Let's pick a pronoun and go with it.

The real problem is with a safe space that's so safe you're not allowed to say anything at all.



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[info]enoh
2007-08-06 05:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm from the UK, though I imagine location would make a difference.

It depends on context, tone and speaker as well. It's fine when it's used in a historical setting. The phrase 'ladies and gentlemen' doesn't bother me either, nor generally does 'My lady' or 'Ma'am'.

In many cases however, 'ladies' just brings one of two images to mind:
- The greasy lech who says 'Hey ladies' and means 'Hey pairs of boobs who exist only to fulfill my fantasies'.
- Tupperware parties/Women's meetings, right before the leader says 'Here's how to really please your man!'.

I think it's the way it lumps those addressed into one group.

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