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J. Crew Guy ([info]j_crew_guy) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-07 21:01:00


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Entry tags:lj

This won't end well.
LJ FINALLY speaks.

It's already got a troll in writerspleasure, calling all the people posting serious questions/comments "whiners" and four(!) pages of comments so far.

Highlights in the post include a fauxpology for burr86's wanky comments, LJ still doesn't understand that Federal law doesn't cover depictions of fictional children in sexual situations and a lot of re-stating what they've said before.

Edit: Well, this is an interesting revelation. Actually, there are several members of various fandom communities involved on the review board, as well as the Abuse Prevention Team itself.

And this list of official statements made by LJ staff in the "clarification" lj_biz post should bear watching.

Edit 2: coffeechica is talking with LJ users in stupid_free here. Odds on how long before it gets deleted? Anyone? Anyone? ...Bueller?

...and LJ/6A employees can't even come up with their own boilerplate responses, because rachel (she of the icon where she's posing with a big glass of beer) plagarized a LJ user's comment to use as her own.

Oh, and the lj_biz post has maxed out at 5000 comments in about sixteen hours, which is a new record, I believe. People are going back to the previous lj_biz post to leave comments there, I think.

Edit 3: Godwin's was reached on page 17 of the lj_biz post. (Thanks to [info]khym_chanur for the link.)

The current lj_biz post has made cNet.

The whole thing has been covered by German news magazine Der Spiegel. And a translation. (Thanks to [info]airborne_rodent for those links.)

Slashdot covers it, too. As does Digg. (Thanks to [info]utahraptor for the Digg link.)

Edit 4: Our own [info]cat_mcdougall wrote up a semi-editorial article here. As she says, the "Fandome" is them editing my article.




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[info]threegoldfish
2007-08-08 02:21 am UTC (link)
writerspleasure has been twating around obnoxiously since the first strikethrough wherein he was calling all image macros arguments and then going on and on about how an image isn't an argument. No, it's a FUNNY PICTURE WITH WORDS, you dolt.

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2007-08-08 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-08-08 02:22 pm UTC

iwanttobeasleep
2007-08-08 02:24 am UTC (link)
Well, Livejournal updates and answers none of the questions people were asking. I, for one, am terribly surprised.

Also, terribly surprised that LJ welcomes pro-anorexia communities. Because underage girls talking about starving themselves as long as they aren't posting pictures of fictional probably adults naked.

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(no subject) - [info]dechant, 2007-08-08 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jira, 2007-08-08 05:46 am UTC
... - [info]dechant, 2007-08-08 05:50 am UTC
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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 12:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybug218, 2007-08-08 02:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2007-08-08 05:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-08-08 07:32 pm UTC

[info]tempslut
2007-08-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
LJ: Now More Vague Than Ever!

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[info]photosinensis
2007-08-08 02:35 am UTC (link)
I take it that LJ has hired a certain lawyer to represent them. That would explain a lot.

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(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2007-08-08 02:47 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2007-08-09 01:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2007-08-08 03:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkivist, 2007-08-08 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brown_betty, 2007-08-09 03:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 05:49 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shakeandbake, 2007-08-09 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lollercoaster, 2007-08-08 05:10 pm UTC

[info]soleta
2007-08-08 02:38 am UTC (link)
there's a whole lot of Not Getting It in that post.

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[info]jira
2007-08-08 02:38 am UTC (link)
Holy crap! I started reading it when it had 6 pages, and it has 9 now. In like, 20 minutes. AGH.

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(no subject) - [info]randomsome1, 2007-08-10 06:33 am UTC

[info]agent_hyatt
2007-08-08 02:38 am UTC (link)
there's a lot of misinformation regarding the two users who were permanently suspended on Friday.

"You spammers have it all wrong. We're not going to explain why they were suspended in any specific terms, but trust us, they deserved it."

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-08-08 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-08-08 03:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2007-08-12 06:52 am UTC

[info]crickets
2007-08-08 02:43 am UTC (link)
Wait, so [info]burr86 is not only on vacation, he's out of the country right now, far away from internet access? Goodness knows, Cletus, it's a shame they don't have them fancy internets overseas...

Run, [info]burr86, run!

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[info]_ladyshalott_
2007-08-08 02:45 am UTC (link)
I've been traveling and away from the internets for the past week 1/2 ... where are these wanky comments from burr86?

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[info]soleta
2007-08-08 02:57 am UTC (link)
thank you, meme.

http://community.livejournal.com/lj_biz/241884.html?thread=12550108#t12550108

LJ's lawyers apparently got their law degrees at the Internet Law School of Nigeria.

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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 03:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]soleta, 2007-08-08 03:15 am UTC
ah, here it is - [info]soleta, 2007-08-08 03:20 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-08 03:36 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 03:36 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]soleta, 2007-08-08 04:04 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 04:15 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]mmanurere, 2007-08-08 06:54 am UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 09:49 pm UTC
Re: ah, here it is - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-08-09 05:38 pm UTC

[info]grrliz
2007-08-08 02:57 am UTC (link)
... am not surprised that the people in the comments are still behaving as ridiculously as they were in the previous [info]news / [info]lj_biz posts. Oh, how I adore you few and far between but incredibly sane fandom people who continue to ask questions and move the discussion forward in lieu of pitching a fit and posting cat macros.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 02:59 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]artimusdin, 2007-08-09 07:29 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2007-08-08 06:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-08-09 11:37 am UTC

[info]grrliz
2007-08-08 02:58 am UTC (link)
Also, I want there to be a drinking game for this (because god knows I could use a drink just trying to follow the whole thing).

Take a drink when:
  • someone complains LJ listens to the advertisers more than the userbase
Your turn!

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(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2007-08-08 03:01 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-08 05:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bemysty, 2007-08-08 09:44 am UTC
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[info]khym_chanur
2007-08-08 03:02 am UTC (link)

Gah! This type of post is really bugging me:

"b. Content that encourages or advocates hate crimes, the abuse of children in any form, or rape, even if the content itself is not illegal and may be protected by the First Amendment. This portion of the policy reflects the especially reprehensible nature of these activities; users who encourage or advocate these acts, regardless of their motivation, are simply not welcome on LiveJournal." As someone said before, thank you for at least admitting that the content was deleted not because it broke laws but because it offended corporate preferences.

Re-read it, you moron! It says "This portion of the policy reflects the especially reprehensible nature of these activities;", not "all portions".

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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-08 04:06 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-08 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2007-08-08 06:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-08 06:59 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-08 11:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kermit_the_sock, 2007-08-09 06:09 am UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2007-08-08 03:03 am UTC (link)
Y'know, I really did think most of fandom was significantly overreacting to this ordeal but now my main concern is how anybody that idiotic is allowed out of their house, much less allowed to conduct their own company PR. :-(

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(no subject) - [info]azhidahaki, 2007-08-09 02:08 am UTC

[info]jrs1980
2007-08-08 03:06 am UTC (link)
This post is giving me so much D:

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[info]kylenne
2007-08-08 03:06 am UTC (link)
You know, there's so much Lose and Fail in that post that it's hard to get it sorted out.

I demand pie charts.

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(no subject) - [info]airborne_rodent, 2007-08-08 03:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jira, 2007-08-08 03:21 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2007-08-08 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2007-08-08 03:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2007-08-08 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-08 03:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-08 03:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2007-08-08 06:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-08-08 08:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 08:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]barankhy, 2007-08-08 08:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sidhebastardess, 2007-08-08 04:39 pm UTC

[info]damnedfallacy
2007-08-08 03:23 am UTC (link)
This was what I said after the first Strikethrough 07:

What I am truly amazed at is just the global stupidity of the whole damned thing. This stupidity has chapter titles and footnotes and possibly a concordance. This is a parfait of stupid with idiot sauce and fuckwit sprinkles.

Nothing has happened to change that opinion in the least.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:25 am UTC

[info]sluggirl
2007-08-08 03:38 am UTC (link)
What's this "Rojo incident" the open letter mentions a couple of times? I have no idea what they're talking about.

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(no subject) - [info]j_crew_guy, 2007-08-08 03:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sluggirl, 2007-08-08 03:46 am UTC

[info]ravenscanary
2007-08-08 03:41 am UTC (link)
Is there anyone else who's fighting hard against a natural and innate desire to post inane shit and CAPSLOCK and cat macros just because the whole thing sucks so hard?

I'm staying away because I respect the people who are trying to get more legit and constructive infoz out of LJ, but damn, my fingers itch to contribute to the inevitable degredation of the thread.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 04:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2007-08-09 01:37 am UTC
FAIL CHART!
[info]katarin
2007-08-08 03:42 am UTC (link)
A graphic representation of the Pit of Fail. I'm looking at YOU Fandom! D:<

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Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]ravenscanary, 2007-08-08 03:45 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 03:48 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]ravenscanary, 2007-08-08 03:51 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 04:09 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 04:17 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 04:32 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 04:52 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 05:06 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 05:16 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 05:43 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 06:14 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 06:39 am UTC
... - [info]amymccabe, 2007-08-14 12:33 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]nekoama, 2007-08-08 09:37 pm UTC
... - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 11:07 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]frenzy, 2007-08-08 06:30 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 06:50 am UTC
... - [info]kadath, 2007-08-08 02:18 pm UTC
... - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-09 05:27 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]chibikaijuu, 2007-08-08 07:00 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]breecita, 2007-08-08 04:50 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 04:57 am UTC
I copy everything Bree does! :D - [info]kadath, 2007-08-08 02:19 pm UTC
Re: I copy everything Bree does! :D - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 02:44 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:12 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-08 11:50 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:01 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]katarin, 2007-08-08 11:11 pm UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]azazello, 2007-08-08 09:41 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]sushi, 2007-08-09 12:57 am UTC
Re: FAIL CHART! - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2007-08-09 07:55 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2007-08-08 03:46 am UTC (link)
You know what? I think they're honestly trying.

It's the fact that they try and still continue to fail so hard (not to mention that they have time to sit around seriously debating the "artistic merit" of internet porn pictures but not enough time to look at pro-anorexia communities to decide if they're dangerous) that makes me not trust them. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's sucky customer service, combined with an absolute inability to communicate (and probably failing grades in whatever level of writing education they advanced to).

Yes, fandom is being wanky and sucky, too. But fandom isn't whom I'd be paying for an account. This clinches my decision to not return to paid status about ever.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-08 11:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catslash, 2007-08-09 12:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]limyaael, 2007-08-09 12:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-08-09 05:52 pm UTC

[info]ravenscanary
2007-08-08 03:46 am UTC (link)
Wow, what a great time to post pictures of collapsed bridges in a FAIL macro.

Someone was thinking "classy" today.

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(no subject) - [info]jira, 2007-08-08 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]meammouse, 2007-08-08 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ravenscanary, 2007-08-08 04:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-08-08 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ravenscanary, 2007-08-08 04:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-08-08 04:10 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 03:21 pm UTC

[info]deliciouschaos
2007-08-08 03:47 am UTC (link)
God, this is just depressing.

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[info]lostmahmarbles
2007-08-08 04:33 am UTC (link)
Anybody have a list of members of LJ Staff who are answering questions?

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I'm taking a guess - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:18 am UTC
Re: I'm taking a guess - [info]derumi, 2007-08-08 10:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-08-09 05:54 pm UTC

[info]grrliz
2007-08-08 04:37 am UTC (link)
PSA: who's on LJ staff, for those who can't tell whether or not a staff member is responding to their comments or not.

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(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2007-08-08 04:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]grrliz, 2007-08-08 10:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2007-08-08 12:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2007-08-08 03:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]grrliz, 2007-08-08 10:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rolling_my_eyes, 2007-08-08 03:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sushi, 2007-08-09 01:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kermit_the_sock, 2007-08-09 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2007-08-09 08:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kermit_the_sock, 2007-08-09 09:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-09 04:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-09 04:38 pm UTC


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