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J. Crew Guy ([info]j_crew_guy) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-07 21:01:00


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Entry tags:lj

This won't end well.
LJ FINALLY speaks.

It's already got a troll in writerspleasure, calling all the people posting serious questions/comments "whiners" and four(!) pages of comments so far.

Highlights in the post include a fauxpology for burr86's wanky comments, LJ still doesn't understand that Federal law doesn't cover depictions of fictional children in sexual situations and a lot of re-stating what they've said before.

Edit: Well, this is an interesting revelation. Actually, there are several members of various fandom communities involved on the review board, as well as the Abuse Prevention Team itself.

And this list of official statements made by LJ staff in the "clarification" lj_biz post should bear watching.

Edit 2: coffeechica is talking with LJ users in stupid_free here. Odds on how long before it gets deleted? Anyone? Anyone? ...Bueller?

...and LJ/6A employees can't even come up with their own boilerplate responses, because rachel (she of the icon where she's posing with a big glass of beer) plagarized a LJ user's comment to use as her own.

Oh, and the lj_biz post has maxed out at 5000 comments in about sixteen hours, which is a new record, I believe. People are going back to the previous lj_biz post to leave comments there, I think.

Edit 3: Godwin's was reached on page 17 of the lj_biz post. (Thanks to [info]khym_chanur for the link.)

The current lj_biz post has made cNet.

The whole thing has been covered by German news magazine Der Spiegel. And a translation. (Thanks to [info]airborne_rodent for those links.)

Slashdot covers it, too. As does Digg. (Thanks to [info]utahraptor for the Digg link.)

Edit 4: Our own [info]cat_mcdougall wrote up a semi-editorial article here. As she says, the "Fandome" is them editing my article.




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[info]airborne_rodent
2007-08-08 04:50 am UTC (link)
Please think of the fake chidren! We don't care about the real ones.

[info]coffeechica is a member of the 6A staff.

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2007-08-08 05:18 am UTC
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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-08-08 02:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]damnedfallacy, 2007-08-08 02:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-08-08 02:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2007-08-08 02:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-08-08 02:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]isntitironic, 2007-08-08 02:45 pm UTC

[info]wolfsamurai
2007-08-08 04:52 am UTC (link)
I think that the wanking from fandom on this is making an entire generation of 15-16 year old boys look like slackers in the spooge category.

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[info]khym_chanur
2007-08-08 04:53 am UTC (link)
Godwin's reached on page 17.

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(no subject) - [info]aposiopetic, 2007-08-08 04:58 am UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2007-08-08 05:00 am UTC (link)
b. Content that encourages or advocates hate crimes, the abuse of children in any form, or rape, even if the content itself is not illegal and may be protected by the First Amendment. This portion of the policy reflects the especially reprehensible nature of these activities; users who encourage or advocate these acts, regardless of their motivation, are simply not welcome on LiveJournal.

Again, how does this affect FICTION? Out with it, 6A!

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-08 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2007-08-08 06:05 am UTC

[info]mojotmonkey
2007-08-08 05:22 am UTC (link)
...

I have the vodka, but someone else is going to have to bring the popcorn and boobs.

*settles in for a long night of reading*

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(no subject) - [info]faemageforsaken, 2007-08-08 05:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-08-09 11:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mojotmonkey, 2007-08-09 11:47 am UTC

[info]twoiskewl
2007-08-08 05:28 am UTC (link)
ugh. I really want to sympathize with fandom, but all these "I'M NOT GOING TO PAY ANYMORES HOW YOU LIKE THAT" make head meet desk. like they care. their money comes from adverts, not paid accounts.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-08 05:57 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-08 02:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lessis, 2007-08-08 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2007-08-08 06:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lessis, 2007-08-08 07:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2007-08-08 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-08-08 02:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2007-08-08 02:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]derumi, 2007-08-08 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-08-09 12:07 am UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2007-08-08 06:05 am UTC (link)
Six Apart does not ban on the basis of lack of artistic merit, because then we'd have to ban everybody. But we do ban on the basis of lack of artistic merit if there is no artistic merit. If something is illegal except for having artistic merit, then that means... we have to consider the possibility of artistic merit... except that it isn't a question of artistic merit anyway, because we have to ban everything which might get us into trouble if we don't ban it, and if that means studying things on the basis of their artistic merit... then we won't. Or something like that.

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(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-08 06:21 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2007-08-08 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-08 07:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-08 07:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]deadlettero, 2007-08-09 05:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]damien, 2007-08-09 11:47 am UTC

[info]_ladyshalott_
2007-08-08 06:13 am UTC (link)
Am I the only person who finds coffeechica's incessant fucking winking really irritating? It almost makes her frantic digging up less amusing.

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(no subject) - [info]telesilla, 2007-08-08 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankaholic, 2007-08-08 07:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]danceswithelvis, 2007-08-08 02:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-08-08 07:46 pm UTC

[info]mistal
2007-08-08 06:20 am UTC (link)
But it's not illegal to aspire to be thin.

I would like to know on what kind of drug or whatever she must've been on to thought this was a good thing to say. I mean honestly, as she typed it, didn't she have any warning going "Stop! Stop! Bad thing to say! Stupid thing to say! Specially as I'm speaking official! Bad! Bad! BAD!! Must stop right now...fuck I'm too late..."

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(no subject) - [info]mistal, 2007-08-08 06:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 08:22 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2007-08-08 11:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2007-08-08 11:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sneer, 2007-08-09 12:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2007-08-08 12:42 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2007-08-08 05:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2007-08-08 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-08-31 04:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2007-08-08 07:59 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]moonfruituk, 2007-08-08 02:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladypeyton, 2007-08-08 06:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2007-08-08 01:32 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2007-08-09 02:01 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2007-08-08 06:38 pm UTC

[info]eilan
2007-08-08 06:38 am UTC (link)
So LJ still uses the term 'child pornography' interchangable with 'obscene art about underage fictional characters'.

Okay!

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(no subject) - [info]amymccabe, 2007-08-14 12:59 pm UTC

[info]darkecology
2007-08-08 06:44 am UTC (link)
List of links for the official responses to the lj_biz post comments:

http://aura218.livejournal.com/39160.html

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-08 02:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2007-08-08 10:08 pm UTC

[info]wankaholic
2007-08-08 07:13 am UTC (link)
Keep digging, LJ . . . that grave isn't nearly deep enough yet.

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[info]aizome
2007-08-08 07:34 am UTC (link)
Someone share some alcohol? (o wait i don't drink nvmd)
Or a sledgehammer? I need sleep but this shit is too entertaining.

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(no subject) - [info]jedilora, 2007-08-08 07:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aizome, 2007-08-08 07:47 am UTC

[info]sahz
2007-08-08 09:38 am UTC (link)
Woah

From this it seems that child pornography found on LJ is forwarded to some government agency, "as required by law." Coffeechica was asked, but hasn't replied yet, as to whether the suspended users have also been forwarded to that government agency.

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(no subject) - [info]mojotmonkey, 2007-08-08 11:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amymccabe, 2007-08-14 01:00 pm UTC

[info]komorebi
2007-08-08 09:43 am UTC (link)
Clearly, the solution is for all us perverts to create a community disguised as a locked pro-ana hub, to share our smuttery.

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(no subject) - [info]aristaea, 2007-08-08 10:13 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2007-08-08 03:59 pm UTC

dracothelizard
2007-08-08 11:26 am UTC (link)
"Content that intrinsically violates existing United States or California law; in other words, where merely possessing, displaying or transmitting the content is a crime. This includes child pornography and threats against the President and successors to the Presidency"

So, basically, anyone who says 'BUSH IS AN IDIOT AND SHOULD DIE', then? That'd be quite a lot of people.

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(no subject) - [info]southerngaelic, 2007-08-08 11:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]omega, 2007-08-08 12:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-08-08 04:57 pm UTC

[info]limyaael
2007-08-08 01:27 pm UTC (link)
And apparently child abuse communities are A-OK with Six Apart too! At least as long as they're not posting nasty dirty underage porn!

Or will it be okay because they're "Bible-based"? Turn in later to stare at nothing as an LJ staff member refuses to answer!

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(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2007-08-08 01:34 pm UTC
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[info]snarkbunny
2007-08-08 01:32 pm UTC (link)
Well, this is an interesting revelation. Actually, there are several members of various fandom communities involved on the review board, as well as the Abuse Prevention Team itself.

How is that a revelation? When I was on the team, pretty much everyone on the team was also in one or more fandoms, frequently as slash fanficcers. (There's even a community specifically for support volunteers to post their smutty fics to, in fact. It's not a secret, as you can see from the very straightforward profile.) A lot of us met each other in fandom. Many of us were openly gay or bi. Which was why every time someone thrashed around saying we suspended their journal because we were homophobic or hated fandom/creative expression/freedom of speech, I cracked up.

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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 02:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkbunny, 2007-08-08 02:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shahrizai, 2007-08-13 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkbunny, 2007-08-14 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shahrizai, 2007-08-14 01:42 am UTC

dracothelizard
2007-08-08 01:59 pm UTC (link)
What I want to know is, if art that contains minors in sexual situations can be seen as advocating/encouraging child pornography, and therefore get banned, do communities like [info]kill_sam_carter advocate murder and should therefore also be reported?

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(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 02:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 02:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 03:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2007-08-08 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2007-08-08 11:11 pm UTC
Ah-ha!
[info]danceswithelvis
2007-08-08 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Sorry for the misplaced comment there. It was supposed to go under a specific thread on this page...not as a general comment. -_-

I fail at button pushing.

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[info]isntitironic
2007-08-08 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Y'all have NO RIGHT to expect respectful treatment from LJ!

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(no subject) - [info]pantyless_angel, 2007-08-08 04:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-08-08 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]isntitironic, 2007-08-08 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amymccabe, 2007-08-14 01:06 pm UTC

[info]utahraptor
2007-08-08 03:21 pm UTC (link)
So... war_porn and pro-self harm communities like pro_self_harm, bleed_me_skinny, cuttingimage etc, don't violate these terms?

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(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 03:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tronella, 2007-08-08 07:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 09:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amymccabe, 2007-08-14 01:07 pm UTC

[info]stupid_fangirl
2007-08-08 03:31 pm UTC (link)
I would love to know what will they do if someone posts Chibiusa smut fanart and Yasha-ou fucking child!Ashura. Since in canon Chibiusa was 900+ years old and Ashura was 300+ years old.

And dude, would they do anything to MamoruxUsagi smut anyway, since Mamo-chan is such a pedophile; dating 14 years old girl.

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(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-08 03:53 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]undomielregina, 2007-08-08 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-08-08 08:31 pm UTC

[info]eilan
2007-08-08 05:08 pm UTC (link)
[info]rachel: More annoying than burr86? Unpossible.

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(no subject) - [info]lessis, 2007-08-08 06:00 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2007-08-08 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2007-08-08 08:09 pm UTC
GIP - [info]mael, 2007-08-08 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-08 10:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]faemageforsaken, 2007-08-09 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sushi, 2007-08-09 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2007-08-09 03:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]_ladyshalott_, 2007-08-09 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2007-08-09 01:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2007-08-09 06:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2007-08-08 06:56 pm UTC

[info]pantyless_angel
2007-08-08 05:26 pm UTC (link)
You know as stupid as I thought it was at first, I'm kind of glad people are trying to make a fandom journal. I think we are going to need it, because at this rate I would not be at all surprised if LJ just banned everyone who has joined [info]fandom_counts.

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(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2007-08-08 05:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2007-08-08 05:42 pm UTC
re: Inquisition - [info]rikiki, 2007-08-09 05:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-08 06:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-08-08 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2007-08-09 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2007-08-09 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2007-08-08 06:17 pm UTC


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