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Lurker Above ([info]spacelogic) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-08-15 19:03:00


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Current mood:worried
Entry tags:breastfeeding

but what are your thoughts on Nazis breastfeeding gay childfree HP fanartists?
I seriously debated whether this was funny enough to post -- I nearly wasn't going to -- but it has everything. Everything! Godwin's, breastfeeding, childfree, homophobia -- all the classics, packed into one convenient link.

[info]yonmei has a long history of battling LJ over standards of decency. Remember this? And its follow-up? (I just spent forever digging those up based on a hint in her GJ; I hope you appreciate it.) Well, she still hasn't let go, and posts to [info]fandomtossed over on GJ, trying to take advantage of the general disapproval of LJ to further her pet cause: breastfeeding icons. (Warning: yes, the post includes icons with breasts in -- no, there are no visible nipples.)

[info]yonmei says: The two icons under the lj-cut are, one, a default icon in use by a current member of various racist communities on livejournal, which depicts a woman's naked torso with black swastikas concealing her nipples: the other, a photograph of a newborn baby suckling, mouth so small it cannot cover the areola of the woman's nipple.

I recently got myself unsuspended from livejournal to save everything I could to various locations, which I have now done, and then got myself suspended again. Given the mess Six Apart are in trying to persuade people to stay, I wondered briefly if they'd change their minds about the obscenity of public breastfeeding, but evidently not.

Six Apart: where breastfeeding is obscene, but Nazis are tolerable.


But all is not well! [info]jackinhissocks agrees that breastfeeding icons shouldn't be banned, but refers to babies as "spawn" and "parasites," leading to the age-old "is 'parasite' a valid description of a dependent human being at any stage and if so which?" debate. S/he further believes that breastfeeding is sexual, because sex makes babies. Meanwhile, [info]ajatshatru denounces LJ's suck and cleverly calls it "elgay," with predictable results. Also, [info]moonsidhe wants to discuss whether or not the swastika is necessarily a Nazi symbol, for slightly unclear reasons.

Add a healthy side of bickering over the legality of public breastfeeding and toplessness, and top off the whole thing with [info]yonmei freezing threads if people disagree with her, and you've got a nice fresh postful of fail with a side of predictability sauce.

Then there's a mod post which will hypothetically stop the whole thing. And when all's said and done, I have only one question: why haven't I made a boobies icon yet?

P. S. No serious business, please. Please!

ETA: [info]ajatshatru has deleted the "elgay" comment and posted this:

I apologise for the disturbance my comment had created. I have removed it. And yes, as I've said elsewhere, I hadn't used the term deemed to be offensive on my own, but from http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/LiveJournal.
My mistake was not to have linked it in the first place.
I apologise again for the wankage over a quoted term, and request everyone to never comment again to either my posts or comments in this community as I shall not be able to answer these.

Thanking everyone in anticipation.


So bigoted language is now okay if you didn't make it up?

Bride of ETA: [info]sneer observed that [info]yonmei is now wanking away at the mod post. She's also unfrozen comments on the original post. This is not a hopeful situation, folks.



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[info]shoiryu
2007-08-16 03:05 am UTC (link)
Everything about yonmei and her continued obsession with the importance of her nipples is irritating.

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[info]hearsawho
2007-08-16 03:28 am UTC (link)
But I heard her nipples cure cancer!

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(no subject) - [info]faemageforsaken, 2007-08-16 04:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jetamors, 2007-08-16 05:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]poisonyoulove, 2007-08-16 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]meammouse, 2007-08-16 05:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankaholic, 2007-08-16 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyrogue, 2007-08-16 06:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]delcj, 2007-08-16 07:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2007-08-16 02:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2007-08-16 03:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2007-08-17 04:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladypeyton, 2007-08-16 06:19 pm UTC
The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most.
[info]lyssa
2007-08-16 03:23 am UTC (link)
So, let me get this straight. Her areolae apparently represent freedom for all mankind. If she can't show them to the world with a baby acting as a poorly designed pastie, it means that the nazis won after all. I mean, if she doesn't make this stand now, she might end up in a ghetto any day now where she has to formula feed.

It's simple, lady, they don't want nudity or sex in DEFAULT user icons. I can see areola, ergo NAKED by common standards. It is a simple equation. Unless someone at 6A had a traumatic experience with breastfeeding that made them go into a homicidal banning rage whenever they see such an icon as a default. Which, really, is the option I like best.

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Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most.
[info]atalantapendrag
2007-08-16 03:28 am UTC (link)
Like those kids who're breastfed until age 9 or something? That'd be pretty traumatic.

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Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most.
[info]deliciouschaos
2007-08-16 03:50 am UTC (link)
Well, there is an entire section of the Magna Carta dedicated to her boobs.

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Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most. - [info]lyssa, 2007-08-16 04:02 am UTC
Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most. - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-16 04:28 am UTC
Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most. - [info]lyssa, 2007-08-16 05:45 pm UTC
Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most. - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-16 07:05 pm UTC
Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most. - [info]isa, 2007-08-16 10:22 pm UTC
Re: The people who SUPPORT her tantrum amuse me the most.
[info]fuzzybluelogic
2007-08-16 05:10 am UTC (link)
I JUST discovered Firefly yesterday and watched the series. Your icon fills me with freshly fannish glee.

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Firefly FTW! - [info]smo, 2007-08-16 10:18 am UTC

[info]moonjaguar
2007-08-16 03:40 am UTC (link)
One of the swastikas is facing the non-Naxi direction.

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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2007-08-16 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]squib, 2007-08-16 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2007-08-16 04:41 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jk_ashavah, 2007-08-16 07:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]utahraptor, 2007-08-16 02:46 pm UTC
i'm sorry, i had to do it - [info]provetheworst, 2007-08-16 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jk_ashavah, 2007-08-17 04:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2007-08-16 06:46 am UTC

[info]splorch
2007-08-16 03:46 am UTC (link)
Hm. Let's see if have this straight:

[info]yonmei: "Me me me me me me ME ME ME. Also, me. Incidentally, me. STFU, I said, 'me'. By the way: HITLER."

That freezing posts thing is pretty special.

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(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-16 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]count_bessy, 2007-08-16 04:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wtf, 2007-08-16 06:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]count_bessy, 2007-08-16 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aeanagwen, 2007-08-16 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]count_bessy, 2007-08-16 08:08 pm UTC
I'm missing something here.
[info]lyssa
2007-08-16 04:09 am UTC (link)
Whoa, wait, she's childfree? I get supporting the cause, but, uh, why do you need a random woman breastfeeding as a default icon? What a strange pet cause, unless I'm missing some vital backstory.

What is this, opposite day? Should my atheist self pick up some Jesus icons? Do I need some barefoot and pregnant with pie icons? Something with a lot of math? Please, Fandom Wank, tell me what to do.

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Re: I'm missing something here. - capybara, 2007-08-16 04:25 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]thexphial, 2007-08-16 04:32 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - capybara, 2007-08-16 04:35 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]pyratejenni, 2007-08-16 05:07 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]meammouse, 2007-08-16 05:53 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]hearsawho, 2007-08-16 07:17 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]meammouse, 2007-08-16 07:53 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]jar, 2007-08-16 01:05 pm UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]lysana, 2007-08-17 11:04 pm UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]amxjm, 2007-08-17 05:04 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]doomsday, 2007-08-16 04:28 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - pooka, 2007-08-16 05:20 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]doomsday, 2007-08-16 08:09 am UTC
Re: I'm missing something here. - [info]freezer, 2007-08-16 02:47 pm UTC
Icon love! - [info]smo, 2007-08-16 10:20 am UTC
*feels dirty* - iwanttobeasleep, 2007-08-16 03:05 pm UTC

[info]thexphial
2007-08-16 04:23 am UTC (link)
I just like the word nipple. Nipplenipplenipplenipplenipple!

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(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2007-08-16 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thexphial, 2007-08-16 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wallflower, 2007-08-16 05:53 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]onaga, 2007-08-18 01:18 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wtf, 2007-08-16 06:23 pm UTC

[info]rachel_pi
2007-08-16 04:38 am UTC (link)
The messiness involved to bring forth that kidling, that's what. All of that lovely bloating, stretching and blood. Woohoo! Really natural, that.

Um, what? I mean, my sarcasm sensor might be broken, but...how do you have a kid naturally without some messiness?

And I know I'm not supposed to employ the Earth Logic, but what is so hard to understand about part/whole of nipple showing = not okay; no nipple showing = ok?

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(no subject) - [info]themadmermaid, 2007-08-16 05:07 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]themadmermaid, 2007-08-16 06:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2007-08-16 07:09 am UTC
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(no subject) - pooka, 2007-08-16 05:25 am UTC
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[info]honorh
2007-08-16 05:06 am UTC (link)
S/he further believes that breastfeeding is sexual, because sex makes babies.

. . . and babies grow up to become children and adults who eat solid food. Therefore, eating solid food is sexual. So's everything else, because adults were once babies, and sex makes babies.

Mah gud lerning: Everything's about sex.

Well. That explains a lot!

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(no subject) - pooka, 2007-08-16 05:24 am UTC
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[info]webbgirl
2007-08-16 05:27 am UTC (link)
I figured this one would show up here after I saw it last night.

There's a whole lotta WTF? on both sides.

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pooka
2007-08-16 05:30 am UTC (link)
Why is it that nipple=naked, while everything-but-nipple=not naked? Well, for women, anyway, but don't even get me started on that.

Seriously, I seek opinions. What is it about The Nipple?

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(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2007-08-16 06:59 am UTC
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[info]mojotmonkey
2007-08-16 06:51 am UTC (link)
...It's like someone went through the wank archives, picked out the most sought after wanks, and tossed them all into one big boiling pot of WTF?!

All that's missing is some Aja and a horse fucker.

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How about MsScribe? - [info]cheshyre, 2007-08-16 12:12 pm UTC

[info]tehrin
2007-08-16 08:08 am UTC (link)
I kinda want to see a Nazis v. Breastfeeders mud-wrestling match. Not that it would solve the obsenity debate, but in my fictional dream world, Molly Weasley wins.

And is that electrical tape covering the Nazi icon's nipples?

[info]yonmei cares a little too much.

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[info]joye
2007-08-16 08:26 am UTC (link)
Presumably this is why they changed the rules: they knew they could get into a lot of trouble with their advertisers, who I take to be the usual run of right-wing conservative Republican types who do think that women breastfeeding are obscene.

Is there any problem not traceable to the Republicans?
Now, excuse me. I have a letter to write about a blister. Damn Republican sandal conspiracy.

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(no subject) - [info]stromatolite, 2007-08-16 05:52 pm UTC

[info]alexia75
2007-08-16 09:49 am UTC (link)
And yes, as I've said elsewhere, I hadn't used the term deemed to be offensive on my own, but from http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/LiveJournal.
My mistake was not to have linked it in the first place.</i>

Of all the things in the world to use in an attempt to explain away offensiveness, I've gotta say I think ED would be somewhere down at the bottom of the list. With Bernard Manning. And The Black and White Minstrel Show.

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[info]smo
2007-08-16 10:24 am UTC (link)
Would "tits or GTFO" be inappropriate here?

Good.

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(no subject) - [info]the_clichemoth, 2007-08-18 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2007-08-19 06:32 am UTC

[info]scootermcgaffin
2007-08-16 10:56 am UTC (link)
ajatshatru's "apology" is the greatest thing ever. "It's from EncyclopediaDramatica! It can't be offensive!"

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[info]glossing2
2007-08-16 01:17 pm UTC (link)
turn around and ban people who have gay material on their journals Six Apart doesn't like... or icons of babies breastfeeding (Yonmei, here)
Wait, WHUT? 6A's on a homophobic banspree since *when*?

...which is to say, Yonmei just gets more and more lathered and incoherent, doesn't she? It'd be funny if it weren't so irritating.

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[info]sneer
2007-08-16 09:09 pm UTC (link)
wow, I fail at typing.

Yonmei responds to a mod post that contains "thou shalt not freeze threads".

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2007-08-16 11:14 pm UTC
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[info]sashenka
2007-08-16 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Unfortunately, image of the swastika boobs makes me laugh too hard to read anything else.

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[info]aidanshoku
2007-09-03 01:53 am UTC (link)
Bigoted language? Some people are waaaaay too sensitive. elgay is funny, not offensive. Encyclopedia Dramatica is the source of much joy in my life.

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(no subject) - [info]spacelogic, 2007-09-03 03:35 am UTC


 
   
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