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Dragomorph ([info]dragomorph) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-09-25 23:40:00


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Entry tags:games, plagiarism

It don't matter if it black or white -- wait, maybe it do.
It begins, as many things do, with an idea. Or, more specifically, 300 ideas.

So a guy named Squidi begins an ambitious project: create 300 game ideas. Sadly, the project is cut a bit short at 60, but it's the thought that counts, right?

Among these ideas is the idea of the use of negative space as a game element, which would require the use of black and white to keep it simple. One character would exist in the white space and use the black space as a solid surface, while another would exist in the black space and use WHITE as the solid surface. He explains it so much better here.

Well, somebody decided to take him up on the idea. Here's Yin Yang, a new game from a developer named Nitrome. Squidi grumbles a bit in his journal about the lack of credit given, but doesn't really make a federal case out of it -- until Nitrome claims he came up with the idea on his own.

The Independent Gaming Source sums this up best, and brings some of the wank right to the comments. Note the accusation of libel from the maintainer of the indie game site Jay Is Games. ONOES! Also fun: the "he put it on the net and said he didn't care about credit, he should stop whining!" group versus the "he should get at least a LITTLE credit out of politeness" group versus the "hey, it's completely theoretically possible Nitrome DID come up with the idea on his own!" group. (To the latter, I say: LOOK AT THAT SCREENSHOT.)

Nothing like creative types to bring wank to the table. (Especially if they're game developers.)



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[info]fevered_ego
2007-09-26 08:52 am UTC (link)
Thank you, Squidi, but your credit is in another ripoff!

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[info]jyuu
2007-09-26 10:23 am UTC (link)
Wow, wank involving JIG? There's a little corner of the internet I hadn't expected to ever show up here.

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[info]jetamors
2007-09-26 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Inorite? Even when he started the sponsored game reviews, everyone was able to discuss it reasonably and non-wankily.

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[info]brown_betty
2007-09-27 08:42 am UTC (link)
I know! The best part is how despite my slavish devotion to the site, I totally missed this.

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[info]darkeyes
2007-09-26 11:06 am UTC (link)
"...But how many times have you seen something, forgotten about it, or heard about the idea through a third party, and thought you came up with it originally? And so if some guy out of left field then accuses you of being a thief because it was his idea, when you heard about it first from your uncle, wouldn’t you be indignant?"

My, that sounds eerily familiar doesn't it? Shades of Ms. Claire anyone?

I love how the whole thing just sorta fizzled out into lulzhugz! XD

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[info]quartz
2007-09-26 11:41 am UTC (link)
Whoa, wait, he's THAT Squidi? Of "OMG copyright infringement those are MY pixels you're using!" fame? No wonder I was getting a vague sticky feeling from the mention of his name. And here I had naively hoped that he'd learned about requesting credit nicely from the last time this happened.

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[info]caito
2007-09-26 02:40 pm UTC (link)
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to remember that. I was the noobiest noob in all the land way back then, so the memory's kind of hazy, and I was mostly just watching from a distance, so I wasn't even 100% sure it had ever happened.

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[info]quartz
2007-09-26 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I actually remember getting into a fight with my ex about the limits of copyrights when it came to "pixel art" as Squidi called it. There were so many of his wanks back then it was riveting and slightly frightening at the same time. When Squidi gets going he's a one man splooge factory.

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[info]freezer
2007-09-26 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Whoa, wait, he's THAT Squidi? Of "OMG copyright infringement those are MY pixels you're using!" fame?

Don't forget "That's an insult: I don't do sprite comics, I do 'Pixel Art'!"

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[info]quartz
2007-09-26 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Hee! I'd forgotten about that bit of wankage! Now I have a craving to rummage through the F_W archives for his past wanks, just to see how many of them actually deal with credit/copyright infringement versus how many were just him wanking about PA and the rest of the webcomics/gaming world. Aw, who'm I kidding, he's just pure fun to watch because when he wanks the splooge hits everyone and then everyone splooges back!

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this wank has everything!
[info]joye
2007-09-26 12:54 pm UTC (link)
[quote]Thomas Edison said about 8 hours later:

Oh my heavens, how did I get mixed up in all this?

Nikola Tesla said about 8 hours later:

Edison: I think you know!

Thomas Edison said about 9 hours later:

sighs

I know…

slinks off[endquote]
LULZ

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[info]b_jellybean
2007-09-26 02:01 pm UTC (link)
Awww, JIG.

I'm really just commenting to sing "dragomorph, dragomorph, what the hell's a dragomorph...."

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[info]dragomorph
2007-09-27 04:16 am UTC (link)
It's a Max Max Max Max world, you know.

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[info]black_spot
2007-09-26 07:52 pm UTC (link)
I didn’t want to say anything, but I had a dream about 30 years ago about a plumber saving a princess in some weird land. Of course I can’t prove it and at the time everyone laughed at the idea. /delusion.

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[info]cinnamonical
2007-09-26 08:26 pm UTC (link)
OMG, 30 years ago I totally had a dream about a wee blond elf saving a princess in some weird land never mind the fact that I didn't exist 30 years ago!

Both of us totally got screwed over by the establishment, man.

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[info]barankhy
2007-09-26 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Bah! My great-great-great-grandmother dreamt of having fun by playing with variously colored blobs that are depicted on a flat surface - and she was burnt at the stake for that!

Talk about really screwed over ;-;

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[info]mcity
2007-09-26 10:59 pm UTC (link)
I found a drawing I did when I was little of a place with a wizard transforming into a cat, a fountain, an alley with lots of little shops, some people on broomsticks, and a quartered flag!

JKR RIPPED ME OFF U GUIZ SRSLY

/Note: That was an actual drawing.

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*horns in on comment convo*
[info]idiom
2007-09-27 03:33 am UTC (link)
When I was four - that's 1988 - I had a dream about a mercenary with spiky blond hair, a very large sword and an identity crisis trying to save the world (originally for money) and a silver haired angel type who wore lots of leather and killed people. Also, some of those jewel-belly button trolls ate people.

I was a very complicated four year old.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-09-27 06:53 am UTC (link)
I had a dream about Buffy characters last night! They totally ripped me off retroactively.

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[info]amxjm
2007-09-28 05:32 am UTC (link)
I had a dream about a fox piloting a spaceship once. Those Starfox punks never credited me, dammit.

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[info]blue_penguin
2007-09-28 07:12 am UTC (link)
On some anime forum or other that I used to belong to, a girl posted a thread intended to be a cautionary tale about posting your original work on the internet. She claimed that when she was in middle school she had written a story about a girl from our world who fell into another world and had to go on a quest to collect jewels, which she had posted on the internet, and she was absolutely certain that the creator of Inu-Yasha had found her story and ripped it off. A number of people pointed out that this was not the most original of plots, but she was convinced, dammit, that no one could have thought of this without stealing it from her.

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[info]electricwitch
2007-09-26 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Jay is Games? James is Gay?

I feel like I´m missing an injoke.

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You know what really sucks?
(Anonymous)
2007-09-27 12:03 am UTC (link)
I wanna try the game, but for some reason nothing happens when I press ctrl so I can't move any boxes. Is it 'cause I'm on a mac?

-Kilraaj

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Re: You know what really sucks?
[info]iris
2007-09-27 01:25 am UTC (link)
Push the apple key instead.

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*smacks forehead*
(Anonymous)
2007-09-27 02:28 am UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]rikiki
2007-09-27 02:19 am UTC (link)
It may be stolen, but it's still kind of fun. >.> Plagiaristically delicious?

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-27 02:40 am UTC (link)
It is fun. Though I'm torn on if it's plagiarised or not--it just seems like the natural conclusion if you tried using the yin/yang concept in a platformer. And the screenshots' similarities are players, pits, ladders and goals...um. Aren't those pretty common in the genre? At least, I thought they were...

--Kilraaj, who has been playing the game too much and needs to go write her stupid paper

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[info]chibikaijuu
2007-09-27 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Yeah - it's always tough to tell if a concept was plagiarized or not if it's fairly simple to beging with and its few component parts are extremely common.
Regardless, it's incredibly addictive.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-28 12:35 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it is. I just finished the game today--it's only got 25 levels. :)

--Kilraaj

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[info]idiom
2007-09-27 03:23 am UTC (link)
I don't even care about the wank. I think I love that game.

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[info]tangentialone
2007-09-27 06:52 am UTC (link)
That game would be so much fun if it didn't keep freezing for ten or twenty seconds at a time, and if it didn't take so long to flip over. D:

I did make level 3 unwinnable, though. :3

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-28 01:54 pm UTC (link)
Nm the wank, the game is fun!

~SleepyMouse

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[info]bluenakedlady
2007-09-28 08:59 pm UTC (link)
"Jay himself suggested that because both this Mat Annal
guy and I were pixel artists, naturally we'd have similar
game ideas."

Wait, what?

How is that libel? I've been squinting at it until I got a headache, but all I see is a summation of what Jay actually said. Am I missing something? Should I squint to the left some more?

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