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brennalarose
2007-10-10 07:38 pm UTC (link)

I love how he tries to rationalize his behavior by saying he's saving lives. I dunno if anyone here heard about or remember this, but, back in 95-96 in Northern VA, there was a panic because several buckets of frozen strawberries sent to Fairfax County School cafeterias turned out to have some form of Hepatitis.

Last I checked, I can't ride, milk, shear, or get eggs from strawberries. There are no factory ranches where poor defenseless tangerines are being crowded into corrals and shot up with hormones. And the day I find herds of wild apples roaming the prarie or hear about some poor child being gored by a rampaging kumquat, I will blame Warwanker here and kick him in the fruit.

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	brennalarose 2007-10-10 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	Point, Brenna. There was a point, I promise. The point is, food poisoning can come from more that just meat. I worked in a snack bar, I know a little bit a food safety. If a burger can kill you, so can a salad. Also, a lack of proper proteins can damage developing brains. Way to think of the children, numbnuts. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

soupspooks
2007-10-10 07:50 pm UTC (link)

One of my friends went to Mexico, and got food poisoning from a salad.

Also, it's like he's forgotten that one of the most common ways to get sick used to be, and still can be, tainted water. Walkerton, anyone (It was a Canadian thing, there was E. Coli in a school's fountains)? If there can be coliforms in the water (or... chloroform, as my old hometown's GENIUS newspaper reported) then, surely, we should just never drink water again. Because that would go so well for us.

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selenis
2007-10-11 06:24 am UTC (link)

re: Walkerton
It was more a contamination of the entire town's water supply due to polluted run off from neighbouring fields; amplified by the incompetence of the system of Health and Public Safety, and delays in spreading the news to residents. But it was a strain of E. coli that caused the deaths. Hey, at least it wasn't the zombie protein! (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy)

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	soupspooks 2007-10-11 07:03 am UTC (link)
	Ah, yeah, sorry. It was a while ago, I just remember warnings about boiling our water, not drinking from school fountains, and stupid typos in our newspaper. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chibikaijuu 2007-10-11 07:17 am UTC (link)
	PRIONS. YES. They make me happy in ways they shouldn't. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	exdee 2007-10-11 01:52 pm UTC (link)
	Those of us south of the border got cryptosporidium. (Reply to this)(Parent)

frequentmouse
2007-10-10 07:49 pm UTC (link)

I said I wouldn't say more, but I lied:

any vegan who thinks their diet is not paid for in the form of animal lives is deluding himself: insecticides, rodenticides, bird killers to keep starlings out of stored food, vertabrates, especially snakes and burrowing rodents killed by cultivation, planting, and harvest, and let us not even go into the total eradication of habitat by monoculture... If you eat, something has died.

Not eating meat just obscures personal responsibility.

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	brennalarose 2007-10-10 08:08 pm UTC (link)
	riotous applause HUZZAH! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sneer 2007-10-10 09:45 pm UTC (link)
	Hell, if you drink water, things have died. Little single-celled water boogumses don't count, though. They don't have cute fuzzy coats or big soulful eyes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	barankhy 2007-10-10 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	Euglena would cry now if its eyespot had tear ducts ;-; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blackjackrocket 2007-10-10 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	Heck, even if that wasn't the case, you still kill veggies. Everything you eat was once alive, and some plants are more sentient than some animals. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lysana 2007-10-11 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	I once sparked wank on a mailing list by making a very similar statement in a .sigfile quote. The first riposte was a denial from a vegan that lettuce is sufficiently alive to be capable of dying. I stepped back and watched the firestorm in complete shock. Biology 101 went over the head of so many people... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mael 2007-10-11 01:29 am UTC (link)
	Not to mention the carbon footprint of getting veggies to local stores out of season. Avocados might not be animals, but they sure as hell caused a shitload of CO2 to be released into the atmo before they got into your salad. /my thoughts on nutrition and environmental responsibility, let me show you them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	frequentmouse 2007-10-11 06:03 pm UTC (link)
	We shallalso not mention that, even though people are still quoting Diet for a Smal Planet, most of the lnd taken outof natural plantcommunities in South America is now dedicate to soybeans and not beef cattle. I'm waiting for a species profile on Argentine pampas grazed by cattle and sheep vs those turnedtosoybean production... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	luthe 2007-10-11 06:27 pm UTC (link)
	>.> I like my OJ and my lack of scurvy. Locally grown is a great thing and produces delicious, delicious food, but when it's February in New England, California lettuce and hothouse tomatoes look very tasty indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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lysana, 2007-10-11 10:52 pm UTC

	iamnotyourmuse 2007-10-11 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	I think someone needs to introduce this guy to the Breatharian diet. Come on! Exist on sunshine and a cup of water every ten days! (Reply to this)(Parent)

drhenryjekyll
2007-10-16 01:46 am UTC (link)

Sure, things have died to protect our grains and veggies and things. Sometimes you step on an ant on the sidewalk or a spider or something.

Being vegetarian (or vegan, in my case) isn't about getting it all perfect. For me, it's just about reducing suffering as much as it is in my power to do so. I would prefer not to eat animals or animal-derived products. There is never going to be a time when I can be assured that absolutely nothing died to make my salad or soup or whatever, but that doesn't mean I'll just give up on it. For example, I will never be able to cut out pharmecuticals from my life even though they're tested on animals. I just do my best. No one's scoring me or anything, it's just for personal peace.

And hell, I'm still learning about a bunch of stuff that I didn't realize wasn't vegan - refined sugar, for example.

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	bwthree 2007-10-11 03:01 pm UTC (link)
	Don't be silly, everyone knows the prairie is lemonlope territory. Apples are taiga-dwellers. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	danceswithelvis 2007-10-12 02:35 am UTC (link)
	Oh wow...I love those! Especially this one: http://www.metalandmagic.com/modules.php?set_albumName=weirdfruit&id=feralstrawberry&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php&PHPSESSID=c6c70107bb59d86d89b3136280ed385c (Reply to this)(Parent)

	brennalarose 2007-10-12 03:09 am UTC (link)
	Good point, but they're both pretty gamey. Give me a good freshly-caught Pacific watermelon! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	amymccabe 2007-10-12 05:13 pm UTC (link)
	I love you. Can I have your babies? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	brennalarose 2007-10-12 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	I get to keep my girlish figure? Hell yes! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2007-10-14 05:18 pm UTC (link)
	And the day I find herds of wild apples roaming the prarie or hear about some poor child being gored by a rampaging kumquat, I will blame Warwanker here and kick him in the fruit. You have an amazing way with words. hands you a random award (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	brennalarose 2007-10-14 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! Alas, I'm far more witty and entertaining with a keyboard in front of me. I suffer from chronic where-the-hell-did-my-brain-go. It's easier to be eloquent when I write. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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