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Limyaael ([info]limyaael) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2007-10-21 10:28:00


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Current mood:Cliquish
Entry tags:books, pretention, reviews, wanking inside the house

"YA!" "Middle grade!" "YA!" "Middle grade!"
Wank of the SF book reviewing variety- which pretty much automatically means, "Pretentious genre debate and flashing-credentials variety."

Paul Kincaid, a British SF reviewer, writes a review of the non-SF novel The Wild Girls for the SFSite. The review is pretty tepid, and was essentially only done because the author, Pat Murphy, has also written SF novels.

Literaticat, an American on LJ, disagrees.



Her main bone of contention? "It isn't a YA novel. It is very clearly a middle grade novel. And yes, there's a difference. Consider how prickly many in the SF/F community get about people who are ignorant and dismissive about SF/F. Well, that's how children's book people feel when people are idiots about children's books. GRR. I don't understand why you would want to review a mainstream children's book when that is so clearly NOT your forte, or why you would post it on an SF site... But moving on.



The SF Blog Torque Control reports on both the review and the response, and the blog editor gives his own opinion, which falls solidly on Kincaid's side. This inspires a comment thread in which people from both sides show up to argue about what "middle grade" (a US book categorization that does not exist in the UK) should mean, and whether a UK reviewer is obligated to be familiar with the US book market's labels before he reviews a book.

Kincaid then responds with a quiet but decisive takedown of Literaticat's opinion:



What gets me is that I am being castigated for using the term "Young Adult" rather than "middle grade" in describing the book, a solecism that is apparently sufficient to deny me the right ever to review a children's novel. This is patent balderdash. For a start, if "middle grade" is a commonly used literary term it is only among a select circle in the US. The term does not appear on the book. The term does not appear on any of the publicity associated with the book that I have received. The term is not used by the author, who refers to it simply as a children's book. And the term is meaningless to any readership outside the US (here in Britain, for instance) where "middle grade" does not exist within the school system. Writing on SF Site, for an audience that is presumably mostly adult and presumably mostly interested in science fiction, who might, therefore, pick up on the book because they know Pat Murphy as an adult sf author, the simplest and most effective way of alerting the readership seemed to me to refer to it as YA.



Will there be further developments in the exciting saga of what we should call this marketing category? Stay tuned!



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[info]stasha
2007-10-21 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Sure, literary categories are Serious Business, indeedy deed.

It's even somewhat amusing in a "lol, mericans think their categories are everybody's categories" sense.

I'm still not sure I see any actual wank here.

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[info]limyaael
2007-10-21 04:16 pm UTC (link)
Well, I do think that it's wanky in the pretentious circle-jerky way, not the flamewar way. I'm happy to post a disclaimer if people disagree, though (I don't think it should be deleted, because I know how irritating it is when people do that).

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[info]themadmermaid
2007-10-21 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I'm pointing and laughing as I read the thread. They are excruciatingly polite and use lots of big words, but it's still wank to me.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-10-21 05:01 pm UTC (link)
I think literaticat's reply is basically "Don't like don't review" with a side of "It's the best book evah stupid!" and that's a little wanky in itself.

(It actually sounds like a cool book I'd like to read and maybe my daughter might like too, and I say that after reading Kincaid's review. It wasn't really a vicious flame.)

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[info]limyaael
2007-10-21 05:04 pm UTC (link)
It wasn't really a vicious flame.

I read Literaticat's post first, and then went and looked at Kincaid's review expecting some outrageous attack. I was quite surprised to find that it, uh, looked reasonable and everything.

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[info]theonedespot
2007-10-21 05:12 pm UTC (link)
It wasn't really a vicious flame.

Yeah, when I first saw litericat's post I went and read the review, and I was surprised to see it's just a lukewarm review rather than the total hatchet job I was expecting based on that post.

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[info]hallidae
2007-10-21 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Although only one person's replied to it yet, Literaticat's attempt at backpedaling with her (paraphrased) "Can't you take a fucking JOKE?" comment on Paul's post struck me as quite wanky.

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[info]esclaramonde
2007-10-21 09:08 pm UTC (link)
It's even somewhat amusing in a "lol, mericans think their categories are everybody's categories" sense.

It's not even really that, because I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a "middle grade" category separate from YA.

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[info]kaen
2007-10-22 08:27 am UTC (link)
There is, but it's a fairly new seperation that isn't recognized everywhere. Young adult books are geared towards kids twelve and up, while middle grade are for kids between eight and twelve, when they're old enough to read chapter books but not yet interested (or, you know, their parents don't want them to be interested) in more serious subjects or big focus on romance you get in a lot of YA books.

It's actually one of my favorite places to look for new fantasy books, since authors seem to feel more free to play around, I know I'll never run into a crappy graphic sex scene, and they're between three and ten bucks cheaper than adult novels of the same length. ...And mostly because I've just never outgrown my love of children's fantasy, even when it's bad.

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[info]anonyrat
2007-10-30 12:39 am UTC (link)
Fuck yes.

Say what you want about Harry Potter, but it's really elevated the YA/children's fantasy market to new heights and brought out a lot of new talent. A friend of mine who writes fantasy novels is even being encouraged by her publisher to market some of her stuff as YA...

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[info]ryuutchi
2007-10-23 04:10 am UTC (link)
Seriously, I'm an American studying to go into Young Adult services and I've never heard of middle grade before.

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