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karmakaze
2007-11-30 03:15 pm UTC (link)

Granted, I'm sure some people are taking the whole "If you're not surgically attached to your kid, anything objectionable your child comes across is your fault and your fault only" thing a bit far.

The thing is, it's actually pretty hard to stumble across really objectionable content online. (Just like it's hard to accidentally stumble into a liquor store and bring a beer to the counter.) So, in the vast majority of these cases, the children are seeking out whatever it is the parents don't like. That is what I expect parents to try to control - they can do it by watching the children, by talking to their kids about what's out there, by teaching their kids judgment, whatever.

As an adult, I don't mind moderating my behavior in spaces reserved for children, nor even keeping my conversations in public spaces at the "PG/worksafe" level. What I resent is the idea that anyplace a child could find their way must be considered a children's space.

People are pulling out the "raise your own kids" argument because there is a loud countermeme that is demanding that everyone in the outside world police their every activity on the off chance a child might decide to come along. A lot of the net nannies are taking the view that providers of content are solely responsible and that neither the parents nor children involved have any responsibilities whatsoever.

Even before this labeling decision, if your kid was reading porny fanfiction (or looking at boobies, or whatever) on livejournal, it's because your kid went looking for it. If your kid can't be trusted not to sneak into R rated movies, then don't drop your kid off at the theater unescorted. If your kid can't be trusted to respect your limits on browsing, don't let them online unsupervised. If your teen is getting wasted in your basement, then maybe its time to have a chat about responsible alcohol use. If some idiot is handing out beer to teens in the parking lot, then, yeah, go after the idiot.

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	narcissam 2007-11-30 05:25 pm UTC (link)
	The thing is, it's actually pretty hard to stumble across really objectionable content online. Not in my experience! I remember trying to find information on marriage taboos in non-Western cultures as a newbie teenager... Ok, maybe I was just asking for trouble there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

izzygal
2007-11-30 05:46 pm UTC (link)

The thing is, it's actually pretty hard to stumble across really objectionable content online.

Yeah - not in my experience either. I've typed some pretty innocuous things into Google and seen shit I'd rather not see, even as an almost 40 year-old. I typed in the name of my hometown as an image search for a meme once and half the first page was some topless woman - and I don't live in Tits, TX.

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	arielchan 2007-11-30 10:00 pm UTC (link)
	XD Stuff like that is why I skipped the meme that involved putting the name of your university in a YouTube search. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	shaysdays 2007-12-01 10:17 am UTC (link)
	Ah- Ursinis ulum, now that they've gone all non-innuendo? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rosehiptea 2007-12-01 05:53 am UTC (link)
	There have been huge periods of time where I honestly haven't stumbled across anything except in my spam folder, and other periods of time when simple google searches about anime or something gave me ads for barnyard porn. So maybe some people really don't run across it very often. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kosaginolegion 2007-12-02 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	The site with all the animated gifs of women being fucked was a real winner. I don't think I - at 44 - was old enough for that. Almost enough to put me off sex entirely. I have a door to my office and can close and lock it if I run across such sites but sometimes I forget to watch out for the pitter patter of little feet. (And they're sneaky little feet, too.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snacky 2007-11-30 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	The thing is, it's actually pretty hard to stumble across really objectionable content online. It...what? I'm sorry, I'm going to need to see that again. The thing is, it's actually pretty hard to stumble across really objectionable content online. No, still not working for me. Please explain to me how this works. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	agent_hyatt 2007-11-30 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	Please explain to me how this works. See, when I open my browser, objectionable material doesn't immediately appear without me doing anything. I have to go through all the work of checking my email and even emptying my spam folder before running into said material. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	karmakaze 2007-12-01 03:44 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously? Boobies are everywhere. You stumble across them online, but they're also all over TV and billboards. Foul language? Also all over the real world as well as the internet. Hot explicit donkey sex? Usually requires a clickthrough. (not so much because they're protecting our delicate sensibilities, but because they make more money that way.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snacky 2007-12-01 03:55 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I see now. You're just applying "objectionable" to your sensibilities, and I think that's where the confusion comes in. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

karmakaze
2007-12-02 04:55 am UTC (link)

Eh. If you say so.

My point was that if it's the same stuff as airs on network tv, gets painted on giant billboards by the highway, is shown on magazine covers at the local 7-11, and can be casually overheard on line at the supermarket, the objectionable nature of the content is not a function of the internet. Stuff that's much worse than that does generally require at least some effort to come across.

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snacky
2007-12-02 05:37 am UTC (link)

Do you live in the US? Because nudity and explicit language doesn't air on network TV in the US, nor does it appear on giant billboards, or on magazine covers. Casually overheard language, sure, that's true.

But parents often object to that and I really don't think that any of that requires much effort to come across. I get spam email at work that features nudity and language like "giant juicy cocks!"

My work has a very poor spam filter.

But seriously, all I need to do is open my email and there it is. I am not sure where the hard work required to find this stuff is.

I also use the internet at work to search for customers for things like old children's movies. Often porn sites come up on the very first page. Now, I don't consider that "hard" or "have to be looking for it specifically" but I can see how you might.

If what you think parents object is hot explicit donkey sex, then sure, you're right, that's a little bit of effort to find it. I guess. I don't know, I've never tried looking for hot explicit donkey sex - PLEASE NO ONE TELL ME HOW EASY IT IS TO FIND OR PROVIDE ME WITH LINKS!

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	ingrid 2007-11-30 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	(Just like it's hard to accidentally stumble into a liquor store and bring a beer to the counter.) That'sh notsh that harrd. hic (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	trollprincess 2007-12-01 07:21 am UTC (link)
	Is, too. Some of us HAAAAAATE beer. swills more Smirnoff (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladybirdsleeps 2007-11-30 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	What do you think about children who get wasted and then read explicit fanfiction based on R-rated movies? What are the parents' responsibilities if their kid is a raging cokehead sex-fiend? Please make your response at least five paragraphs long. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	puipui 2007-12-01 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Are they yaoi movies? I need to know her thoughts on yaoi. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	karmakaze 2007-12-01 01:34 am UTC (link)
	I think if you count 'y' as a vowel, yaoi is made up entirely of vowels. How cool is that? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chibikaijuu 2007-12-01 02:18 am UTC (link)
	"eee-ah-oh-eee"? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	karmakaze 2007-12-01 03:30 pm UTC (link)
	Well, Ee-Aye-Ee-Aye-Oh doesn't have the same ring to it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	churri 2007-12-02 07:37 am UTC (link)
	I keep wanting to turn that into "ee-ai-ee-ai-oh." Anyone want to guess what the yaoi version of Old McDonald Had A Farm would be? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jaseroque 2007-12-03 09:20 am UTC (link)
	NO. attempts to find brain bleach (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sarajayechan 2007-11-30 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	IAWTC. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	airborne_rodent 2007-11-30 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	I've rarely stumbled across objectionable content online. I must be doing something wrong. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dragonfangirl 2007-12-01 07:46 am UTC (link)
	[anecdote about traumatic unexpected internet porn encounter here] (Reply to this)(Parent)

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