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Miss Murchison ([info]missm) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-01-15 15:13:00


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Entry tags:ethnocentrism, food

Pie wank!
Shepherd's pie, that is. Or is it cottage pie?

I can't improve on the writeup of the friend who sent me the link:

Admittedly, the 'recipe' is a horrid approximation of the real thing, but the determination of the commenters to be gratuitously rude for very little reason has to be admired. And the descent to name calling and arguments about the US and UK and (inevitably) the War is tremendous. Football is in there too. There's also a brief display of homphobia and Bush hatred - intermingled - which can be ignored. (And then there are the sweet, plaintive posts from people who want to talk about cooking...)

Tony Blair starts things off:

That's a Cottage pie, shepherd's pie is made with lamb, the clue is in the name, shepherds don't herd cows do they?

Americans get so many things wrong, that doesn't mean you have to go along the wrongness, use the correct phrases and terminology and educate your people.

Stop perpetuating ignorance.

Which gets the reply:

Well then why not make it out of the shepherds themselves dumb***?

Other Tasty Samples:

Tony,  I can see your point about subbing apples for bananas.  Surely, replacing a pomaceous fruit from a tree with a herbaceous cluster-fruit would change the general structure and consistency. And I see how it correlates: replacing one red-meated, grass-fed ungulate's flesh with another will surely cause the entire flan to collapse, so to speak.  You should find three other people that honestly care about whether or not their casseroles have cow or sheep in the mix and unite to form a super-team that roams the world looking for meat pie infractions.  It'd be a better use of your time.


Now I assume you are American. You seem to be ignorant of many things.

Even your desserts are offensive.

What does WWII have to do with anything? Last I checked, Americans only got involved because they got attacked. You weren't saving anybody, you were defending your own country.

Heroically, I kept myself from jumping in to cry, "Don't mention the War!" 

ETA: [info]alya1989262 has created a guide to the wank. In the form of a pie chart, of course.



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[info]napalmnacey
2008-01-16 12:54 pm UTC (link)
You know, I was just watching season 9 Frasier. The result?

Tony, I can see your point about subbing apples for bananas....

That whole comment, starting from that sentence? Was read out in my mind by David Hyde Pierce.

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[info]singe
2008-01-16 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh, he fits beautifully.

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[info]the_mouse
2008-01-17 06:46 pm UTC (link)
...now I am too.


It is possibly the most fantastic thing ever.

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This is a song about pie...
[info]napalmnacey
2008-01-16 01:06 pm UTC (link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj5xgCq_xH0

I have to admit, my brother wrote it. He's the dude singing. But it's perfect - a song about pie!

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[info]snacky
2008-01-16 03:40 pm UTC (link)
[Obligatory comment on whether I call it "shepherd" or "cottage" and my own recipe for it.]

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[info]isntitironic
2008-01-16 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Why aren't there more recipes in this post? I saw the wank and went "oh, boy, there'll be recipes!" And yet mine's the only one. The cows are crying - they want to be part of delicious mis-named pies!

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(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2008-01-16 04:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-01-16 05:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - pastri_archy, 2008-01-16 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2008-01-16 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magic_lilybean, 2008-01-17 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pointandlaugh, 2008-01-18 11:56 pm UTC

[info]sapote3
2008-01-16 05:07 pm UTC (link)
I make my shepard's pie with tofu. I admit, at this point I'm patting myself on the back for disrespecting everyone's culinary traditions at the same time.

(It's delicious. But you have to start with a red wine gravy, so, possibly never even close to British.)

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[info]mummimamma
2008-01-16 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Well, I put chevre on top of mine (all right, so I call it the French goatherd's pie...). But red wine in the gravy is a must!

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(no subject) - [info]chaos_theory, 2008-01-16 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mummimamma, 2008-01-16 09:46 pm UTC

[info]kiltslave
2008-01-16 11:44 pm UTC (link)
*stomach growls* That sounds so good. Might I get the recipe off you?

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(no subject) - [info]sapote3, 2008-01-17 12:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amyheartssiroc, 2008-01-18 09:01 am UTC

[info]rowanberries
2008-01-16 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I thought it was Shephard's Pie with potato on top and Cottage Pie with pastry. The things you learn in wank comms!

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[info]brown_betty
2008-01-16 08:34 pm UTC (link)
I am madly in love with the phrase "meat pie infractions." I hope I get to use it in a sentence before I die.

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[info]nifflet
2008-01-16 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Tony Blair is coming states-side and I have a ticket to go see him speak. Please, please, someone tell me that I shouldn't bring up the finer distinctions of meat pies if he takes questions.

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(no subject) - [info]alya1989262, 2008-01-16 11:08 pm UTC

[info]chaos_theory
2008-01-16 09:34 pm UTC (link)
I humbly request some Sweeney Todd meat pie GIPs, please? It's the first day of class and I need a treat.

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(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2008-01-17 01:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaos_theory, 2008-01-17 03:02 am UTC

[info]ojamajo_limepie
2008-01-16 09:43 pm UTC (link)
What does WWII have to do with anything? Last I checked, Americans only got involved because they got attacked. You weren't saving anybody, you were defending your own country.

Like Britain can claim to be morally superior when it comes to WWII and the events that led up to it. Do the words "Peace in our time!" mean anything to you?

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-01-17 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ojamajo_limepie, 2008-01-17 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2008-01-19 06:05 am UTC

[info]pyratejenni
2008-01-16 11:07 pm UTC (link)
It's Chinese pie, duh.

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(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2008-01-17 04:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2008-01-17 06:44 am UTC

[info]solesakuma
2008-01-17 06:30 am UTC (link)
First, I'm surprised an Ancient British Recipe contains potatoes.
Second, in Argentina [Spanish], we call it Potato Pie. XP See? Solves all problems.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-01-17 10:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]solesakuma, 2008-01-17 06:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-01-18 07:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]solesakuma, 2008-01-18 08:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2008-01-17 08:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2008-01-18 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-01-18 07:44 am UTC

[info]heddychaa
2008-01-17 09:05 am UTC (link)
W/E, I have an Irish and a British guy who make "shepherd's pie" with beef, and that's good enough for me.

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[info]mad_hatter
2008-01-17 04:18 pm UTC (link)
This is wank about pie.

I can now die happy.

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[info]lafemmedarla
2008-01-17 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Hee, we call it "Timbal" over here.

And now I want one. Mmm, Timbal...

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[info]nightfalltwen
2008-01-17 09:41 pm UTC (link)
I thought that was trifle?


Layer of lady fingers, soaked in alcohol... layer of beef and onions, layer of custard.....



Custard? Good.... Meat? Goooodd.....

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(no subject) - [info]rosina_alcona, 2008-01-18 01:54 pm UTC

[info]rosina_alcona
2008-01-18 02:03 pm UTC (link)
oooh, I've never seen gravy in a jar like that before...you have such mysterious foodstuffs over there, you US-ians....grits and zuchinis, and frosting-in-a-jar, and whole fast food places dedicated to tacos....

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[info]sudaki
2008-01-18 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Mother's been making "Shepherd's Pie" for years using venison. Can anybody suggest a more appropriate term, as someone is likely to point out someday that shepherds do not herd deer?

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(no subject) - [info]missm, 2008-01-18 03:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sequinedlizard, 2008-01-19 11:23 pm UTC

[info]out_bottle
2008-01-19 05:32 am UTC (link)
Favorite part is the guy who felt the need to censure "spotted ****"

Spotted dick! SPOTTED dick!! Spotted DICK!!!

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[info]damien
2008-01-19 06:42 am UTC (link)
...Tony Blair?

It's late enough in the night that I didn't bother clicking the link, I just started reading the report and for a moment, I thought there was a serious political debate or some sort of on-air gaffe to do with cookery and TONY BLAIR.

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[info]jabberwockypie
2008-01-30 02:32 am UTC (link)
Pie wank! This is awesome.

Dammit, now I want some Shepherd's Cottage LOVELY DELICIOUS Pie. With mashed potatoes and carrots and meat and things.

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