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shaggydogstail ([info]shaggydogstail) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-02-17 23:27:00


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People being mean on the internets shocker.
Our sorry tale of internet meanies starts on the Guardian's CiF section, where 19-year-old Max Grogarty writes the first in a planned series of blogs about his fondness for skinny jeans and gap year travel plans. It's, um, not very good, and CiF readers waste no time telling him so.

In fact, CiF readers feel the article is so bad, they suspect he could only have got published if he was related to someone at the Guardian. And waddya know! Turns out that Max is the son of Paul Gogarty, who writes travel articles for the Guardian. A lot of people call nepotism. In fact, they're so outraged that Paul Grogarty's name makes it into the Wikipedia entry on nepotism.

Is it all down to Daddy that Max got his big break? Fortunately, Max's dad steps in to share his thoughts:

You may like or dislike the blog but the cruelty is shocking if quintessentially British. Obviously everyone in his family is very hurt for Max so that's a bonus. I won't be reading any more smug clever dick comments but feel free to kick me around the field a bit now - just please leave Max alone. He hasn't actually done anything wrong and you have your wish - he won't be writing any further blogs.

Hear that, CiF readers - HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME! As an extra bonus, Max's friend MarkChamberlain also pops in to tell us all that Max is a really genuine guy who shops at charity shops and everything!.

It doesn't spot there. A parody blog is posted on Blogspot. The Guardian hits back with an article about Cyber-bullies attacking young writer out of class hatred, and a response from the Travel Editor. Readers are not impressed, although there are calls to leave Max alone.

Still, several hundreds of comments aren't enough for Guardian writer Raphael Behr, who steps up to the plate with this special insight:

Imagine the scene: a man stands on a pedestal while hundreds of people take it in turns to heap scorn on him. At first, they take issue with something he has written, but then, as the crowd works itself into a frenzy, they abuse him as the embodiment of some social evil.

Perhaps you are imagining a scene from China's Cultural Revolution - a student accused of bourgeois tendencies, head bowed, harangued by classmates. Or perhaps, if you were reading the Guardian's travel site last week, you have a picture in your mind of Max Gogarty, a 19-year-old aspiring writer who posted a blog about his gap-year plans.


[...]

Max Gogarty is not the first blogger to be lynched online, although he might be the youngest. I expect I'll come in for some vitriol simply for writing about him.

It doesn't go down well. Well, what do you expect from an internet full of meanies?

ETA Courtesy of [info]apoplexia The Guardian takes their tale of Cyber-bullying woe to BBC Breakfast



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LOL Wait
[info]emiweebee
2008-02-18 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Did the Travel section editor really say that Max won the blog on his own merits?

...

Has he READ what Max wrote??

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Re: LOL Wait
[info]luckdragonfujur
2008-02-18 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Either he didn't or the other contestants --all of them-- were worse.

Which would it be, I wonder.

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[info]ms_treesap
2008-02-18 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Max has disappeared from the main wiki, so here's the talk page entry on him.

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redwarrior
2008-02-18 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Is Max's mom Anne Rice?

It'd make more sense if she were...

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[info]dragonfangirl
2008-02-18 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps you are imagining a scene from China's Cultural Revolution - a student accused of bourgeois tendencies, head bowed, harangued by classmates.

This has to be some variation on Godwin's.

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[info]pfeffermuse
2008-02-19 05:59 am UTC (link)
What is it lately with supposedly pro bloggers whining after being critiqued by their readers?

This song has been playing in different locations forever.

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[info]apoplexia
2008-02-19 10:35 am UTC (link)
I think it's because the Grauniad really doesn't "get" the whole interwebs thing. They seem to assume that the comment function is only for plying them with praise and swapping Wildean bon mots. You'll notice how much they behave just like fandom (there's an anthropology masters in this somewhere) in getting all their friends to write on their blogs about what big meanies everyone is, while constantly avoiding the actual issue: that they published something really poorly written just because of who the guy's dad was.

Frankly, I'm surprised Snacky's Law remains hitherto unviolated.

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[info]pfeffermuse
2008-02-19 04:56 pm UTC (link)
It's not just happening in the Grauniad, though.

I wrote up a wank report about an MSNBC paid blogger, who also did the "you're all being mean to me" bit after her writing was skewered. Since then, she's also written a paid article to whine about all the meanies.

Is this the new state of online "journalism"?

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[info]belafarinrod
2008-02-19 11:18 pm UTC (link)
I fear so, there was a bit of a media flurry when a bunch of pro-bloggers (whom I've never heard of but....) felt "harassed" and "bullied" because of their writing. So they quit and it was sad and now they're trying some other desperate thing so they don't fall off the media F-list of celebrities

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[info]tangentialone
2008-02-19 06:41 am UTC (link)
Phantasm asked:
" 'cliches are there for a reason' - what is /are the reasons for cliches? Are any linguists, cunning or otherwise, logging on that can help explain?"

Well I'm no linguist but, in my understanding, clichés exist for this reason: that many ideas are initially novel and interesting and, as a result, are copied to the point of becoming annoyingly overfamiliar and dull.


Oh, burn. (Link.)

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Keep Digging Grauniad
[info]apoplexia
2008-02-19 11:58 am UTC (link)
You'd think they'd just bunker down, make themselves a nice cup of tea, and wait for this whole thing to blow over, wouldn't you? But no. Instead they go on the BBC Breakfast News to make their case again. Not altogether surprisingly, this doesn't go down at all well.

Bonus accusations of sockpuppetry!

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Re: Keep Digging Grauniad
[info]shaggydogstail
2008-02-19 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, this just keeps getting better. Thanks!

*runs to edit*

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Re: Keep Digging Grauniad
dracothelizard
2008-02-19 05:24 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh, I wonder when the Guardian is going to leave the internet FOREVER?

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Re: Keep Digging Grauniad
[info]hallidae
2008-02-19 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Wow, way to make yourselves look like the mature party there, Guardian. Psychologists? Really? Cry Moar.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2008-02-20 01:33 am UTC (link)
Love the various attempts to spin it as "he's just a poor wee defenseless babe! How dare you attack him, you meanies!"

If he's only a child, what is his spit-up doing on the (virtual) pages of a national newspaper? Has the Guardian become a venue for posting refrigerator art?

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[info]idiom
2008-02-21 04:26 am UTC (link)
The resulting 'cyber-bullying' has now forced Max, an occasional scriptwriter for the E4 teenage drama series Skins, to ditch his weekly blog while he and his family cope with the consequences of global internet exposure.

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

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[info]foresthouse
2008-02-21 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Oh, give me a break. Max "doesn't really like the media world right now"? Well, come ON. He should have known before trying to enter it about hotbutton issues in media such as nepotism - I mean, one of the basic rules of journalism is that your reputation precedes you and will generally affect how your work is perceived. So if you have a good repuation for being a journalist with integrity, people will read your words in a different way than if you appear to be a hapless kid who lucked out and got a column on a big paper not through accomplishments or hard work, but through your dad knowing some people. Granted, this is sometimes "acceptable" in business - but never in journalism.

Max should take some journalism classes and ethics courses before he feels so "grim" about what happened. Maybe he's not ready for the world of media yet.

As for the class hatred thing, where did that come from?

The sense of entitlement of some people makes me so angry. Some people don't think they should have to earn their positions through hard work and ability anymore. But who wants to read something that isn't any good? And frankly, Max's blog post was boring *and* not that well written. If they'd had a contest for the spot I'm sure someone else would have won.

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