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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]blue_penguin
2008-03-08 01:44 am UTC (link)
Hahahaha, New Yorkers being randomly nice to people? Yeah right.

(also, re: the New Jersey thread: I think that's possibly the only time I've seen people actually saying nice things about New Jersey. And here I was all prepared to have to go "it's not all bad, really!" and probably get laughed at by the rest of you.)

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 01:46 am UTC (link)
I had a fine travel day getting re-routed through Newark Airport today, so that part of Jersey was good to me!

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 02:08 am UTC (link)
Well, in New Jersey, a friend had an "incident" on one of the PATH trains and all of us being not from the area were really impressed when everyone bent over backwards to make an awful situation slightly less awful.

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[info]missdaisy
2008-03-08 02:53 am UTC (link)
They're not talking about Jersey, they're talking about the shore. Jersey's what drive through to get to the shore.

*ducks delicious tomatoes*

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[info]blue_penguin
2008-03-08 02:55 am UTC (link)
Hey, I take what I can get.

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[info]kerryblaze
2008-03-08 03:16 am UTC (link)
hehe True.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2008-03-08 11:34 am UTC (link)
I was always under the impression that New Jersey was divided into three equal parts: suburb of Philadelphia, suburb of NYC, and Beach.

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[info]risha
2008-03-08 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Absolutely true. It's as annoying as all get out if you're not down the Beach and for some reason you need to go north or south. All roads either go towards NYC or Philly, and never shall they turn the other directions.

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[info]puipui
2008-03-08 08:33 pm UTC (link)
and never shall they turn the other directions

It's all those fricking concrete dividers in the middle. How the hell is anything supposed to turn with those things in the way all the time?

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[info]caito
2008-03-10 09:24 am UTC (link)
Jug handles!

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[info]rogueunit
2008-03-08 02:57 am UTC (link)
I always love it when I get to visit in New Jersey! The NW part of the state is really lovely.

Of course, every time I get back home to Indiana I have to remember to not blow on the horn as much as out east.

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[info]senor_pinata
2008-03-08 03:57 am UTC (link)
Trufax. I blew my horn more in the first year of living in Jersey than I did my whole driving career before that.

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[info]luthe
2008-03-08 03:42 am UTC (link)
I like New Jersey! It has cheap gas and official speed limit is 80.

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[info]aristaea
2008-03-08 07:30 am UTC (link)
and official speed limit is 80.

Whut? I drive through Jersey all the time and the speed limit is 65! Except when it's 55. The cops have been nice so far and not pulled me over for going 80, though...

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[info]risha
2008-03-08 04:37 am UTC (link)
I love living in New Jersey! All of the bad press is just from out of state people sticking to the Turnpike. All of our cities are horrible, but they're the minority - the rest of our state is all lovely. Even the scary, scary Pine Barrens.

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[info]splorch
2008-03-08 04:56 am UTC (link)
Hey, I went to high school in that there town!

Also, he's totally spelling "shoobie" wrong. Hmph. Damn kids. What are they teaching them these days, all mispelling nonsensical words?

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[info]littlebittysami
2008-03-08 05:16 am UTC (link)
So is shoobie is the new "bennie?" When I was living in Jersey 12 years ago, outsiders were called "bennies" for their "I've been to x" t shirts. (I'm still a bennie, considering I collect touristy stuff.)

I'm so out of the loop living in Oklahoma.

As for the wank, LOL for New Yorkers being friendly and I've only been to Chicago by passing through O'Hare. I fucking hate O'Hare, but I'm pretty sure Chicago isn't as bad as the idiot OP of the wank is portraying it to be.

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[info]splorch
2008-03-08 05:22 am UTC (link)
"Shoobie" is only used south of LBI. I think. (I am actually a piney. Sad but trufax.)

Which means ALL YOUSE big city folks is scary OMG! I am one of those backwater rubes the OP is snotting about!

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[info]littlebittysami
2008-03-08 05:48 am UTC (link)
I am actually a piney

Ahhhh, the memories of the bennies vs. the pineys stuff every summer! It was funny.

I'm a bennie originally (from West Orange, one of those OMG!suburbs.) but most of my family now lives in Ocean County.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 09:22 am UTC (link)
I am convinced that the active ingredient in human suffering was added to the concrete used to build O'Hare (and most other airports). You can learn a lot about a city by its airport, but I don't think unpleasantness relative to other cities is one of them.

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[info]cinnamonical
2008-03-08 06:41 pm UTC (link)
I was amused to find that O'Hare topped this list of America's Most Miserable Airports.

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[info]penguinfaery
2008-03-12 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Look, my airport has something to do with the apocalypses, and everyone STILL complained about O'hare there.

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[info]queencallipygos
2008-03-10 03:39 am UTC (link)
Hey, I'm a New Yorker and I'm nice!

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[info]blue_penguin
2008-03-10 03:42 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but do you randomly chat up strangers on the street?

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[info]queencallipygos
2008-03-10 03:44 am UTC (link)
Depends on the circumstance -- collective witnessing of odd events will get a glance and a "did you also see that?" from me. I'll also try to offer assistance when I see someone who looks like a confused and lost tourist. (Even when they tell me they're looking for "Cannery Row" -- and with those folks I was even nice enough not to respond with "That's in California, you goon".)

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