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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]spacelogic
2008-03-08 01:50 am UTC (link)
I have a friend from New York City. Her story is that when she first came to California, people would make polite conversation at the bus stops and so forth and she was so weirded out that she asked her local friends "why do people keep talking to me?"

I know nothing about Chicago beyond which state it's in, so I have nothing to add to this conversation.

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[info]puipui
2008-03-08 02:16 am UTC (link)
I have a friend from New York City. Her story is that when she first came to California, people would make polite conversation at the bus stops and so forth and she was so weirded out that she asked her local friends "why do people keep talking to me?"

Hee! I was in Seattle with some friends from New York once, and they were absolutely convinced that everyone in the city was about to knife them and steal all their money, because everyone kept looking at them and talking to them and being suspiciously polite.

I laughed. There may have also been some pointing involved.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
God forbid those New Yorkers visit Georgia and meet my relatives. They might actually try to sit them down with some lemonade and ask for their life story.

I remember reading a thing about how Tim Burton was really weirded out when everyone in Alabama was really nice to he and the crew for Big Fish. Like, he thought they were being fake nice, and he had to get used to how that's how everyone just is in the South.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-08 02:48 am UTC (link)
God forbid those New Yorkers visit Georgia and meet my relatives.

Oh! Oh! When we lived out in Druid Hills area of Atlanta, the apartment complex was full of Yankees and Midwesterners. And almost every one of them would say "I don't want to hear your life story" when people would chat them up. And in turn I'd say, "Well, then go back to where you're happy and leave me the fuck alone." And all I'd be saying was "good choice" on something like a shirt or food. I chat up strangers all the time. It's just what I do. Enjoy it, too. Even the crazy-ass people who tell me all about their marriages and I was only giving them directions. It's part of the culture, damn it.

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nam_jai
2008-03-08 02:36 am UTC (link)
Heh. I'm reminded of a time I met some tourists passing through Thailand and they told me about how they had been warned by their guidebook not to take any food or drink offered because you might be drugged and robbed.

To which I explained that you could end up thinking every single Thai person was out to drug and rob you, because Thais have strong sense of hospitality and they'll offer you food and drink on the slightest pretense.

I really should have found out what that guidebook was, so I could boycott it while pointing and laughing publicly.

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[info]zinkchan
2008-03-08 07:24 am UTC (link)
A friend of mine is from Washington D.C and she said she was so confused when she moved out to Olympia to go to school because people would come up to her and just start talking to her on the bus.

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[info]rosalita
2008-03-08 05:09 pm UTC (link)
I live in Richmond, VA, which is about 100 miles from DC. What a difference 100 miles makes! The first time I was up there and walking around the non-touristy parts of the city, I was shocked when people didn't answer me when I said hello! In Richmond, if you pass someone on the sidewalk, you say hello or at least nod!

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[info]tehrin
2008-03-08 02:28 am UTC (link)
We're like that in California. We're damn huggable.

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[info]spacelogic
2008-03-08 02:40 am UTC (link)
Unless we start fighting over whether the state should be ruled by San Francisco or LA, at which point it is no longer possible to generalize about us even with regards to huggability.

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[info]tehrin
2008-03-08 02:50 am UTC (link)
Oh yes, the dangerous North/South divide which we dare not speak of.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 03:27 am UTC (link)
My mother claims the difference between New York, Chicago, and LA is this:

In New York, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, someone will come over and shout "HEY, FUCK YOU. THOSE BANANAS NEVER DID ANYTHING TO YOU, ASSHOLE, SO SHUT UP AND LEAVE THEM ALONE."

In LA, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, someone will come up to you and put hir arm around your shoulder, and say "Hey, don't worry about the bananas. They're pretty harmless. And hey, they're a great source of potassium! Who doesn't like potassium?"

In Chicago, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, you won't be bothered at all, because everyone else will be very busy pretending that neither you nor bananas exist.

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[info]cinnamonical
2008-03-08 04:11 am UTC (link)
That made me LOL.

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[info]kijikun
2008-03-08 04:32 am UTC (link)
Wait so if I'm in LA and I yell at Bananas the Doctor will come talk to me. Yes?

Also I have this odd image of RayK from Due South arresting some guy for attacking Bananas (Fraser would probably insist "They were innocent law abiding Bananas, Ray.") Then again RayK might do the whole yelling at the guy yelling at the bananas. And everybody would ignore them.


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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:41 am UTC (link)
I don't know, because I'm trying to work my way through DW canon in order, and I just started this year, so I'm still on early One. Who I think would probably just find banana-shouting privately hilarious, but let you alone unless you seemed useful.

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[info]innocentsmith
2008-03-09 06:48 am UTC (link)
I've only just gotten into Due South, so I find this comment (and your icon) immoderately hilarious. Thank you for that.

Although I'm disappointed that I evidently missed my chance to meet the Doctor while living in LA. Here in Vegas, people will just sneer sympathetically and agree that the bananas are bastards but what can you do with the fruit and vegetable union the way it is? Here's hoping the oranges aren't infected with hepatitis...

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[info]driedfrogpills
2008-03-08 04:37 am UTC (link)
Oh, man. As someone with a very strong Chicago family background, this made my day, and it is so, so true. So very true.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:43 am UTC (link)
I can see it in New York, and I grew up in Chicago, but is LA accurate? I've never been west of Wyoming.

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[info]spacelogic
2008-03-08 04:49 am UTC (link)
See, I don't know anything about LA, but in my neck of the woods, the joke would be more like: next time, someone will be outside passing out flyers for a rally against banana abuse.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:55 am UTC (link)
See, in Chicago no one would go to that rally because, you know, we're not anti-banana, it's just that, well, we don't really like them in anything but smoothies and people might mistake us for banana radicals or something, and isn't potassium an explosive? We've heard that somewhere before. Who knows what kind of people will be there?

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[info]darkrose
2008-03-08 11:24 am UTC (link)
That would be Davis.

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[info]mrbimble
2008-03-12 06:46 am UTC (link)
nah. In Olympia, they'd be blockading the store with shopping carts and screaming police abuse when people tried to push by them to get inside.

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[info]sorchar
2008-03-08 06:15 am UTC (link)
If you're in Portland and you're yelling at the bananas, you're liable to start a debate with some people taking up for the bananas and other people being all, "Damn right, you tell those fucking bananas!"

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:04 am UTC (link)
Hell, that's not just Chicago, that's all of the Midwest I've seen except for Madison, Wisconsin. I don't know where people get the idea that Midwesterners are all sweet and well-intentioned, because the ones around here tend to be catty bitches.

In southwestern Ohio, you would have people pretend they didn't see you or the bananas while they kept a close eye so they could go home and complain to their friends about the weird people we have here who wreck the city by yelling at bananas.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 11:47 am UTC (link)
In LA, they might complain that the bananas are not skinny enough, and to starve the damn bananas so they can be thinner.

Bananas need to stay a size 2, too.

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[info]amand_r
2008-03-08 05:15 am UTC (link)
My friend moved here (to Pittsburgh) from Staten Island, and she had the same issue. People kept making eye contact and saying hello to her as they passed on the street, and it just wigged her out. It's been eight years and I think it still might.

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