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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 02:21 am UTC (link)
I'm not a big fan of Chicago (there's something disconcerting about the city that I don't like and can't really place, but I can't explain it), but I'm not a huge fan of New York City, either. The people who live in both cities are fine, but I'm not chomping at the bit to live either place. Chicago has some of the most awesome museums, though.

I like LA and London, though. People in both places are really friendly (God, you should see how some of the people reacted excitedly when they found out I was American in London, mainly because I "didn't really have an accent"), and the scenery is pretty fantastic.

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[info]radiotrash
2008-03-08 03:47 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I was born and lived in Chicago for the first 20 years of my life and I'm not a fan of the city really, though I can't say why. I do love the museums, I miss them!

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 11:27 am UTC (link)
Maybe it's the whole thing about being born and raised in a city for so long you grow a disdain for it? My friends moved from our city and they're all, "Our hometown is so oppressive," and I'm like, "Is it oppressive because you let it be or is it oppressive because it's where your parents are?" Semi-tangent from your comment, I know, but it can be related.

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[info]radiotrash
2008-03-09 12:32 am UTC (link)
I dunno, I know a lot of people that grew up in Chicago and love the city. And I never actually felt oppressed, it just never really clicked for me. My mother actually desperately wants me to move back but when I think of that versus Tempe, AZ where I live now it's a very big "DO NOT WANT" reaction from me.

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[info]magic_lilybean
2008-03-08 10:57 am UTC (link)
people reacted excitedly when they found out I was American in London

Yeah... what is that? At a restaurant in London the waitstaff were so excited, they went inside and dragged out one of the waiters because they thought he might be from New York, too.

...he was from Canada.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 11:22 am UTC (link)
I had so many guys that did the, "Oh, hmm, your typical cute English girl, move along" type thing and then the, "Oh, so you're American? Heeeello there." when I'd actually open my mouth. And I got so many comments about how my accent was so unobtrusive and light and not what they thought of as the typical American accent at all.

I can't say I've had an experience like yours before, but I do get the, "Georgia's near Disney World, yeah?" a lot. (Because an 8-hour drive is "near" anywhere, right? Heh.)

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[info]magic_lilybean
2008-03-08 03:40 pm UTC (link)
It also happened that, for reasons which are long and boring, we were staying on an outskirt area - I'd almost say a suburb except according to the train maps we were still well in London. At any rate, it was pretty much just locals where we were, so we got "American? What are YOU doing here?" pretty much every day.

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[info]rachel_pi
2008-03-10 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Heh, that's why I always have trouble responding to the question "Pennsylvania? Is that near New York?" We were discussing long car trips once and I mentioned driving to Florida (24 hours from Pittsburgh to Tampa). A friend pointed out that if he drove for 24 hours, he could probably make it to Poland.

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[info]smashingstars
2008-03-08 11:07 am UTC (link)
I'm the same way about Chicago. It's not a bad city, but I wasn't comfortable there at all. I think because Chicago turned out exactly like you'd imagine an enormous city made up of Midwesterners would.

Also, Chicago was the place all the kids from my high school ended up after they found NYC and LA and even Toronto too hard for them to handle, so maybe that has something to do with it.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 11:14 am UTC (link)
Maybe that's it. Maybe it's the pretentious "I'm artsier than you" attitude a lot of people who end up in Chicago have (this is only in my personal experience, like my friend who moved to Portland and said everything is so much freer and liberal there) or maybe it's the NYC-lite type feel it has.

Chicago has great architecture and great history and great museums and great shopping, but it doesn't seem to care about that. It's very... nondescript. Like the people as a whole don't seem to utilize what they've got or something.

And I may not like NYC a whole lot, but NYC has its own personal identity and isn't trying too hard to be something.

And seriously? If I couldn't cut it in NYC or LA or something, I'd go to Austin or Charlotte or Atlanta or something. Up-and-coming cities that don't have sky-high housing costs and but they have their own identities.

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[info]melisus
2008-03-08 04:08 pm UTC (link)
When I went to London, one of my group's bus drivers asked us how things were back in the colony. The shocked silence was oh so memorable.

On an even funnier note, a couple summers ago my family went down to Florida and we stopped in Knoxville on the way home to eat at Corky's because my father had been raving for years about how awesome their ribs are. When we walked in, as soon as the staff found out we were from Canada we had nearly every waiter/waitress in the restaurant tripping over themselves to serve us. It was actually a lot of fun!

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, one of my English friends always teases me about living in The Colonies.

I cracked up when you said, "stopped in Knoxville to go DOWN to Florida." I was like, "In what way would going NORTH be conducive to Flo-- OH, you must not be from Georgia, then." LOL. Because half of fandom_wank is from here, I swear. XD

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