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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]dreiser
2008-03-08 02:36 am UTC (link)
I hate Chicago but that's only because I'm from St. Louis and I simply refuse to like any city that houses those damnable Cubs.

And as for fake politeness... errr. We don't have any of that in Missouri. At least not in St. Louis where I live. I don't think we're overly friendly like in the southern portion of the state but we're certainly not mean either. Overall it's pretty much, "You ignore me, I ignore you."

Is that polite? lol. Who knows.

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*yells at you from Kansas City*
nam_jai
2008-03-08 02:45 am UTC (link)
Dammit, if we've told you once, we've told you a thousand times: Be fake-polite! You're ruining our state's reputation!

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 02:48 am UTC (link)
Oh, fuck you all. :)

-the not-quite Bootheel (thank god)'s opinion

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
nam_jai
2008-03-08 03:21 am UTC (link)
Look, we Missourians don't have to be polite to each other, do we? Just visitors. So go to hell, you ... person way down there.

(Icon indicates joking-ness!)

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 03:33 am UTC (link)
The one deciding thing, as you know:

Missour-EE or Missour-UH?

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
nam_jai
2008-03-08 03:40 am UTC (link)
:D I almost brought up that very issue in my comment above.

And it's Missour-EE. That's the way it's spelled. You can't just go changing vowels willy-nilly.

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 03:46 am UTC (link)
Okay, we are all good with each other. :D

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]dreiser
2008-03-08 03:35 am UTC (link)
St. Louis has been ruining Missouri's reputation for years. lol. Why should we stop now?

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 03:36 am UTC (link)
Hey, at least St. Louis isn't really responsible for East St. Louis...

(is originally from Cape, lolol)

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
nam_jai
2008-03-08 03:49 am UTC (link)
(Is originally from Nebraska. Our foreign origins may explain our agreement on the vowel issue.)

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 03:50 am UTC (link)
Foreign?

Oh, hee. Cape=Cape Girardeau=the largest thing (not that that's saying much) between Saint Louis and Memphis.

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
nam_jai
2008-03-08 03:55 am UTC (link)
Oops! I was thinking you meant from, like, Cape Cod or something. Yes, I've heard of Cape Girardeau -- obviously I just don't think about it much?

Give me a break, I'm from Nebraska! (When it suits me to say so.)

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Re: *yells at you from Kansas City*
[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 03:57 am UTC (link)
I try not to think about it much, either. :)

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[info]smashingstars
2008-03-08 11:10 am UTC (link)
I grew up in Southern Missouri, but my mom's family is from around St. Louis (Union and Grey Summit and Washington represent!) and... no, there is no fake politeness. There's genuine politeness, and then there's the "IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME IN THE BIG CITY, YOU FUKKEN NOOB?!" politeness. Which, to be honest, is often completely justified.

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Just curious, what part of Southern Missouri? :)

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[info]smashingstars
2008-03-08 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Lebanon, with relatives all over in Springfield, Ozark, Nixa, Bois D'Ark, Oldfield, etc. We're hillbillies!

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Ahhh, further west. I'm originally from Cape, go hiking out in the eastern side of the Ozarks. :D

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