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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 03:27 am UTC (link)
My mother claims the difference between New York, Chicago, and LA is this:

In New York, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, someone will come over and shout "HEY, FUCK YOU. THOSE BANANAS NEVER DID ANYTHING TO YOU, ASSHOLE, SO SHUT UP AND LEAVE THEM ALONE."

In LA, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, someone will come up to you and put hir arm around your shoulder, and say "Hey, don't worry about the bananas. They're pretty harmless. And hey, they're a great source of potassium! Who doesn't like potassium?"

In Chicago, if you go to the supermarket and start yelling at the bananas, you won't be bothered at all, because everyone else will be very busy pretending that neither you nor bananas exist.

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[info]cinnamonical
2008-03-08 04:11 am UTC (link)
That made me LOL.

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[info]kijikun
2008-03-08 04:32 am UTC (link)
Wait so if I'm in LA and I yell at Bananas the Doctor will come talk to me. Yes?

Also I have this odd image of RayK from Due South arresting some guy for attacking Bananas (Fraser would probably insist "They were innocent law abiding Bananas, Ray.") Then again RayK might do the whole yelling at the guy yelling at the bananas. And everybody would ignore them.


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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:41 am UTC (link)
I don't know, because I'm trying to work my way through DW canon in order, and I just started this year, so I'm still on early One. Who I think would probably just find banana-shouting privately hilarious, but let you alone unless you seemed useful.

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[info]kijikun
2008-03-08 04:46 am UTC (link)
The Ninth Doctor has much to say about bananas and their excellent source of potassium.

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(no subject) - [info]abbymouse, 2008-03-08 06:09 am UTC

[info]innocentsmith
2008-03-09 06:48 am UTC (link)
I've only just gotten into Due South, so I find this comment (and your icon) immoderately hilarious. Thank you for that.

Although I'm disappointed that I evidently missed my chance to meet the Doctor while living in LA. Here in Vegas, people will just sneer sympathetically and agree that the bananas are bastards but what can you do with the fruit and vegetable union the way it is? Here's hoping the oranges aren't infected with hepatitis...

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[info]driedfrogpills
2008-03-08 04:37 am UTC (link)
Oh, man. As someone with a very strong Chicago family background, this made my day, and it is so, so true. So very true.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:43 am UTC (link)
I can see it in New York, and I grew up in Chicago, but is LA accurate? I've never been west of Wyoming.

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[info]driedfrogpills
2008-03-08 04:46 am UTC (link)
Technically I can't say for sure, as I've never been to LA... But at present, I live in the north half of Cali, and we're required by law to assume the worst of the south half in terms of sheer insane... well, anything.

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(no subject) - [info]kaesa, 2008-03-08 04:49 am UTC

[info]spacelogic
2008-03-08 04:49 am UTC (link)
See, I don't know anything about LA, but in my neck of the woods, the joke would be more like: next time, someone will be outside passing out flyers for a rally against banana abuse.

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 04:55 am UTC (link)
See, in Chicago no one would go to that rally because, you know, we're not anti-banana, it's just that, well, we don't really like them in anything but smoothies and people might mistake us for banana radicals or something, and isn't potassium an explosive? We've heard that somewhere before. Who knows what kind of people will be there?

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[info]youngcurmudgeon
2008-03-08 08:58 am UTC (link)
I'll tell you what kind of people will be there! The same damn kind of people that invaded in '68 and ruined Daley's plans to have a nice quiet convention, that's who!

/wasn't actually alive then, but had a professor who attended the Chicago Seven trial

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[info]darkrose
2008-03-08 11:24 am UTC (link)
That would be Davis.

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[info]spacelogic
2008-03-08 07:06 pm UTC (link)
I suspect there's a whole special category of town that's defined largely by the presence of its particular branch of UC. I was thinking of Santa Cruz and Berkeley, myself, being in their region....

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(no subject) - [info]vito_excalibur, 2008-03-09 07:31 pm UTC

[info]mrbimble
2008-03-12 06:46 am UTC (link)
nah. In Olympia, they'd be blockading the store with shopping carts and screaming police abuse when people tried to push by them to get inside.

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[info]sorchar
2008-03-08 06:15 am UTC (link)
If you're in Portland and you're yelling at the bananas, you're liable to start a debate with some people taking up for the bananas and other people being all, "Damn right, you tell those fucking bananas!"

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[info]kaesa
2008-03-08 06:49 am UTC (link)
In that case, I think I need to visit Portland. It sounds really entertaining.

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[info]sorchar
2008-03-08 06:55 am UTC (link)
And the best part? There's a high likelihood that none of those people are crazy.

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[info]telesilla
2008-03-08 11:28 am UTC (link)
In Seattle, people would stand around and watch on the assumption that you were doing performance art.

In Sacramento? Someone would probably just shrug and call the cops.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2008-03-08 07:52 pm UTC (link)
and the rest of the state mutters about how Portland thinks they're the only ones who have bananas, or opinions about them.

*grins and waves from Eugene*

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[info]sorchar
2008-03-08 10:37 pm UTC (link)
And Portland thinks the bananas in Eugene are all dirty hippies, except for the hippie Portland bananas who want to move to Eugene. ;)

I had this friend once who was going to move out here, and his plan was to live in Eugene and commute to Portland. Every day. I'm like, "So, you've got your own helicopter, then?"

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(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2008-03-12 06:48 am UTC
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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:04 am UTC (link)
Hell, that's not just Chicago, that's all of the Midwest I've seen except for Madison, Wisconsin. I don't know where people get the idea that Midwesterners are all sweet and well-intentioned, because the ones around here tend to be catty bitches.

In southwestern Ohio, you would have people pretend they didn't see you or the bananas while they kept a close eye so they could go home and complain to their friends about the weird people we have here who wreck the city by yelling at bananas.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-09 05:12 am UTC (link)
because the ones around here tend to be catty bitches.

That's standard North Muskegon, Michigan behavior as well. Or they ignore you. God forbid you say hi up in Whitehall. They'll look at you like you ate their puppy. Which, why you'd want it, no one knows. Now that one place 10 years ago had excellent waffles, but that ain't puppies.

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[info]sarahkjrsten
2008-03-13 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Hell, that's not just Chicago, that's all of the Midwest I've seen except for Madison, Wisconsin

Madison has got its own brand of crazy though.

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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2008-03-13 05:49 pm UTC

[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-08 11:47 am UTC (link)
In LA, they might complain that the bananas are not skinny enough, and to starve the damn bananas so they can be thinner.

Bananas need to stay a size 2, too.

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