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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]risha
2008-03-08 04:33 am UTC (link)
I've held a grudge against all of Illinois ever since I was forced to go out there on business, and got to deal with several days of horrible food poisoning from an undercooked burger.

And the food was crap in the suburbs where I was most of the time. (Except for two really excellent seafood restaurants we found.)

Also, maybe I was in all the wrong places, but as far as I could tell the entire city of Chicago closes up at 9:00 PM on weekdays.

And what's with all the toll roads?

(I may be a little bitter.)

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 04:34 am UTC (link)
Suburbs=crap

And yeah, if you're downtown in the Loop, it's like expecting the NYC Financial District to be hopping at night.

Toll roads=stiffing the suburbanites

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[info]risha
2008-03-08 04:40 am UTC (link)
Yeah, well... it's also so disturbingly FLAT!

(remains irrationally bitter)

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-08 04:59 am UTC (link)
Sadly, there I have to agree with you. That did bother me when I lived there.

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[info]demonbean
2008-03-08 06:01 am UTC (link)
I may also be bitter. I went there to see a friend, coming from a relatively safe city/neighborhood, and she got us into the middle of the city, and then said, "Well, we'll have to be careful on our way back, a lot of times the street lights go out and there are a lot more rapes, and there are a lot of muggings and stabbings on my street." And I was all, "You know ... we could have rented a movie ... "

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[info]magic_lilybean
2008-03-08 05:04 pm UTC (link)
as far as I could tell the entire city of Chicago closes up at 9:00 PM on weekdays

I had a similar problem in Buffalo once. I was there for some kind of meeting in a hotel, and it was Sunday. They let us out for lunch and nearly *everything* was closed. There were exactly two places to go outside the hotel - one was the McDonald's at which we ended up eating.

Still in all, because there were so few places and so few people out, we ended up making friends with a complete stranger as our search for food became a running gag. He was an IT guy on a business trip. Later that week he was travelling to Boston and went right through our area, so we all hung out. I remember he seemed - maybe a little bit sheltered? He was a good clean Midwestern boy. So we took him to see Clerks at the midnight movies.

He looked like he wanted to scrub his brain clean by the end. It was awesome.

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[info]risha
2008-03-08 05:50 pm UTC (link)
I had the same exact experience in Harrisburg, PA once! Except that it was a several hour bus layover at 5:00 on a Friday, and without the random IT guy. But I still know exactly what you mean.

I quite like Buffalo, actually, but I will admit that I've never been trapped there on a Sunday afternoon without knowing the area. (Was there a football game that day, I wonder?) I miss getting curling on TV, for instance. And U of Buffalo had a good gaming convention when I was in college (several schools over).

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[info]nightfalltwen
2008-03-08 08:50 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing to contribute but icon advice to your icon.

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