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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:04 am UTC (link)
Hell, that's not just Chicago, that's all of the Midwest I've seen except for Madison, Wisconsin. I don't know where people get the idea that Midwesterners are all sweet and well-intentioned, because the ones around here tend to be catty bitches.

In southwestern Ohio, you would have people pretend they didn't see you or the bananas while they kept a close eye so they could go home and complain to their friends about the weird people we have here who wreck the city by yelling at bananas.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-09 05:12 am UTC (link)
because the ones around here tend to be catty bitches.

That's standard North Muskegon, Michigan behavior as well. Or they ignore you. God forbid you say hi up in Whitehall. They'll look at you like you ate their puppy. Which, why you'd want it, no one knows. Now that one place 10 years ago had excellent waffles, but that ain't puppies.

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[info]sarahkjrsten
2008-03-13 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Hell, that's not just Chicago, that's all of the Midwest I've seen except for Madison, Wisconsin

Madison has got its own brand of crazy though.

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[info]waltraute
2008-03-13 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I know people who used to go up there from Chicago for the Halloween party, because it wasn't a big event at Chicago. (oddly enough, it is where I am now, but more in terms of costuming than anything else, unlike the Madison rioting...) I was always too afraid.

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