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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:13 am UTC (link)
There's a lot to see and like in the US. Of course it isn't flyover country. The midwest, maybe, is flyover country. It's flat and ugly. There's not much to do and the food is very bad.


Sweetheart, you do know that airliners don't beam their food directly up from the flyover states they happen to be flying over, don't you?

Because seriously, what I can think of to recommend Ohio: Hocking Hills, Eden Park in Cincinnati, this tea house in Columbus whose name I forget, the hippie Tex-Mex restaurant in Athens, and those chocolate-peanut butter buckeye candies.

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[info]ella_w
2008-03-08 09:20 am UTC (link)
Is that Zen Cha Tea Salon you're talking about? Because that place is fantastic, along with most of the short north in Columbus. Central Ohio is actually a really amazing place to be, but the only people who know that are actual residents since no one ever purposfully goes there. The idea of a tourist in Columbus is rather hilarious.

And I totally agree on buckeyes. Like a reeses the way you always wished reeses would be, heavy on the peanut butter side of the ratio.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Yes! I haven't been there in way too long if I forgot that. I actually love Columbus, I spent more weekends there than in Athens when I was going to Ohio University. I'm only about half an hour east of Indiana now, but it seems really far to Columbus so I hardly ever get out there. But yeah. The reason I would take someone visiting Dayton to Columbus is because that town is bleak, not because I really expect someone from Chicago or New York to be impressed by it.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:09 pm UTC (link)
That is, Dayton is bleak. Columbus is cool, even if it isn't really a tourist town.

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[info]worstangel
2008-03-08 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Dude, don't forget the Blue Gator in Athens! Also, yay, Hocking Hills. (Are you talking about the one restaurant on Richland or the other one?)

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-03-08 08:07 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking of Casa Nueva, I think over on State Street. Whichever one it is that's a block down Court from the courthouse. I live two or three hours from there now, but I was willing to risk salmonella to bring some Casa home with me that last time I was there because it is just that damn good.

I was one of three people in the history of the school who went to OU for academics and never have been much of a drinker. And I got a little tired of people looking for the Blue Gator wandering into the historical society next door and then telling their friends that we were this place that did, like, history, and so would do their papers for them when I worked there. But yeah, the music at the Gator was amazing. Some friends of mine dragged me down there one night that they'd booked B.B. King and the university had his daughter doing a show, and when she showed up to play with him? Holy crap, man. That was amazing.

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[info]worstangel
2008-03-08 11:39 pm UTC (link)
YES! I could just wander around Athens for hours. I live about 20 minutes southerly, really, and - well, it's better than Gallipolis. Casa Nueva is crack in a bag.

Lies! Slander! OU IS PURELY FOR ACADEMIA. Actually, one of my fondest memories is this cover of the Athens Insider that had a picture of college students doin' what they do. One of the students watching these two other girls jello wrestle had a plastic cup and a t-shirt that said "OU is not a party school."

I have heard stories of that night, and am so. damn. sad. I missed out. Nothing ever seems to happen when I actually have the means to go.

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