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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-03-07 19:06:00


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Chicago: not New York, dammit
The LJ community [info]uchicago is, well, a community populated by students and alumni of the University of Chicago, a fine institution on the South Side of the city. Normal discussion includes questions about professors, where to get an apartment, and the general whining all students always engage in about their school.

Enter [info]gracchi, who has some misconceptions about the city itself to correct:

First: It makes the city boring to walk around. Walk from, say, East Harlem straight down into UES, down into midtown, down into the East Village there's always something to see, people to talk to. Same for a walk in Tokyo, in London, in Naples. Walk from the Loop out to Wicker Park, up to Logan Square: you get swathes of residential, highway underpasses, some (usually closed!) businesses. There's a good video rental store, sure, and an very nice Costa Rican restaurant (Irazu) on the way: but the walk itself is a horrible bore.

Second: It makes the city feel dangerous. People, lots of people, are the best imaginable security system. When you walk down a long, dark, empty Chicago street, it feels dangerous. Doesn't mean it IS dangerous. I've never been mugged. But there's this residual fear there, at least for me. There's a lot of cops here, but not a lot of people. But that might be for the better, because-

2. The white people are horrible.

Midwestern-Masters of fake nice, white Chicagoans will smile at you and say have a nice day. But they won't chat you up like in NY, and they won't ever surprise you with anything. Sure, there are some crazy oldtimers around - but most every white person younger than 60 is a dreadful bores. You don't hear interesting things on the street (like in NY.) and you want to strangle most of the people you see -- especially around Lakeview.


In short:

I don't 'not like' Chicago: I believe it to be a miserable place, and I take its defenders to be defenders of mediocrity and misery.

The responses are, naturally, a little annoyed:



condescending. that's the word i was looking for.

You've got to look at this post for what it really is: backhand masturbation for New York.

I knew a chick just like that who lived in BJ while I was there. Couldn't stop going on about how stupid Americans were and how terrible Chicago was compared to NYC.

And all I could think was, "Shut the ever-living fuck up and go back East." I've got your "fake nice" right here, pal.


And it comes out that this was such a pressing moral issue, he had to create an LJ to put all those smug people in their place:

Yes, that's right. I've been following the community for some time now (there's often good info here); and decided that the boosterism needed to be countered, a little.

Not to mention the OP's opinion of himself:

On People: I consider myself endlessly fascinating, and ask all of those around me to be the same. Seriously: I don't demand that people cultivate themselves to become living artworks. That would be nice, but it won't happen until we overcome capitalism. What I would like is if people would be more colorful, more engaging, more willing to talk to strangers. I get that in other cities; not here.

(New Yorkers: you guys talk to strangers? Really?)

Favorite side thread is where it derails into a discussion about New Jersey.

Disclaimer: I am an alumna of the U of C, and enjoyed Chicago a lot.


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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-10 08:57 am UTC (link)
I think AOL just got... absorbed, like New Line Cinema. Well, there's also GE/Universal. But I think Time Warner and Viacom are the most massive, so I include them as owning everything.

We had like, two bars. The Woodin Nickel and... something else. If people wanted to dance and drink, it was an hour drive down to Savannah. Mostly everyone just bought liquor at the gas station and drank themselves silly at home. On weekdays. When everyone clearly had to go to class the next day. Our movie theater had 9 screens. Pirates of the Caribbean (the first one) was still packed in that theater two months after it came out. The rest of the movies to come were really bad horror movies, and that's about it. Though the movie theater did have this really cool auditorium which served you food and beer if you wanted it instead of having to go up and get food yourself.

Well, Savannah was an hour drive. Hour and a half if we wanted to get into the suburbs and mall and stuff. The one advantage to living in the middle of nowhere was that our Blockbuster video was awesome. The general manager was this super movie geek and he always had the most movie geek movies in stock instead of just "that movie that came out." For a film geek like myself, that place was heaven.

I was going to add that maybe the granbaby also had a shirt that said, "My other stroller is the General Lee" or "my other stroller is a Harley," but alas, no comment editing.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-10 09:09 am UTC (link)
Ohh. Good to know where my 10 bucks is going a month. Really. *laugh* Universal. Oh, right. I keep forgetting it owns Skiffy and NBC. And USA. And every other thing. But I always remember ABC because it owns Lifetime and Fam. *grins*

Hey, at least you had them. Man, Douglas had 10k people, and that includes the junior college population. 441 ran right down the middle of it. It was 30 minutes to the Okefenokee reserve down there. Little over an hour to the Savannah perimeter. We didn't have many people drinking all that much during the week. Mostly because everyone had to be at work by like 5am. And the movie theater changed movies every couple weeks, but it was the WEIRDEST line ups. Like American Sweethearts (Julia Roberts movie) and Jay and Silent Bob. So you went from romantic comedy....to whatever the other was. And the movies were on DVD by the time it hit down there. So sad. And the sad part is that my best friend and I managed to get lost in it. Yeah. Exactly.

Coming home and going back every weekend, our highlights on the way back were counting the dead armadillos. Tifton was about 30 minutes away, maybe less depending on how you get there. I don't even know if they had a video store to be honest. It was that backwater.

I think you missed the busted up truck, too. You know, for all the mud bogging.

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2008-03-10 09:25 am UTC (link)
I think Statesboro had about 20,000 and I suspect that was the college students, the college professors, and some rednecks here and there from Metter. We had people drinking during the week because Georgia Southern was, well, the biggest party school in the Southeast. Yeah, probably not the best place for a future filmmaker and socially anxious 19 year old to live. XD The movie theater is like... well, really, all it ever showed were really bad horror films. I had to go back home to Augusta to see any decent movies and down to Savannah to see things like Love Actually and LOTR and Big Fish. (Statesboro did not even have RETURN OF THE KING in theaters until well after New Year's! We're not just talking "random movie they don't expect will do well," we're talking the third LOTR movie!)

Tifton? Isn't that near Nashville (which is where one of my roomies was from) and Valdosta? My roomie would entertain me with stories about how NO ONE did anything on Friday nights but ride around in their trucks. That's... sad.

Well, see, this was Statesboro, and a lot of the old ladies were Savannahians who had moved up to live with their college professor husbands and just stayed forever. So they're more classy than mud-bogging, but not too classy for the General Lee and Harley Davidson.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2008-03-11 12:18 am UTC (link)
*snort* We had a lot of factory workers there, so it was mostly the rednecks who drove their tractors in the middle of road. It's like that bad Vince Gill song. I heard that about Ga Southern. I always confused it with GSU, since they have the same initials. I remember wishing it was closer to Savannah, since the amount of schools there were pitiful, back when we were thinking of moving there (now, it's back to staying in Atlanta). Hey, at least you had horror films. And it wasn't the tri-county one. Seriously. There were no other movie theaters in a 30 minute radius.

All I know about Augusta is what I witnessed on the way to Lowcountry SC. I don't think Douglas ever got the big movies, actually. You know, the mega blockbusters.

Tifton is off 75, on the way to Florida. About...an hour or so from Valdosta. It's right before Perry. There was nothing to do down there. It's pathetic. I think UGA has a satellite branch down yonder. Somewhere around Tifton and Douglas.

Oh, see. You had the higher up classier people. But hell, there was mud bogging in high school, and I'm 30 minutes outside Atlanta. And the General Lee is a Georgia landmark. Duh.

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