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Amy ([info]rowanberries) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-04-23 00:52:00


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May I grope your breasts? It's liberating!
Seriously? This hasn't been wanked yet?

EDIT: Answer - It has, in elsecomm. Go there!

Oh, well. Posting on behalf of mouse who did all the work on [info]wank_report. Seriously, I just futzed around with the links here and there. Hail mouse!

ANYWAY - At a recent con, someone had a brainwave.

"This should be a better world," a friend of mine said. "A more honest one, where sex isn't shameful or degrading. I wish this was the kind of world where say, 'Wow, I'd like to touch your breasts,' and people would understand that it's not a way of reducing you to a set of nipples and ignoring the rest of you, but rather a way of saying that I may not yet know your mind, but your body is beautiful."

This is from a post *endorsing* the product of said brainwave, the Open Source Boobs Project.

The project was, basically, walking up to women and offering them buttons that said "Yes you may" and "No you may not" the may in question being "May I ask to touch your breasts?"

Surprisingly, not everyone in the world thought this was a wonderful idea. Breast wank ensues! ... Not that kind of wank. Um. We hope?



"I'm not trying to be adversarial here, I'm just confused. Many people seem to be upset by this, but if you were uncomfortable with the idea wouldn't it be refreshing to be able to just put on a red button to keep the annoying men away?

Sometimes, I like to enjoy the delusion of living in a world where what a woman has on her chest isn't the primarily important thing about her, whether it be buttons or shirts or what-have-you."

(Here.)

"Women's breasts are not magical devices for healing straight men's psyches. Women's bodies do not exist to make straight men feel better about themselves. Women have their own shit to deal with, and a lot of the time, that shit is us, even (sometimes especially) when we're trying to do better"

([info]tablesaw leads the straight male opposition.)

Next: More outrage outside the post here!

" Ah, yes, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could live in a world where some random guy I don't know can ask me, without any sort of shame, if he can grope me?

NO, MOTHERFUCKERS. NO, IT WOULD NOT."

(From here.)

"Because the way to an egalitarian and less body-conscious utopia is for women's bodies to default to public space. We just don't have enough sexualized treatment of women as bodies instead of whole social persons in public spaces!

Fuck you."

(Here.)

"It is not assumed that you, random stranger, are entitled to take my life unless I am wearing a shirt that says, "Do not kill me.""

(Here.)

Aaaand bits from comments; Here, here, here and EVERYWHERE.

And then, of course, revenge of the LOLs.

The open source knuckle sandwich!

"Can you imagine a situation, where you could be hanging out with a bunch of friends at a con, and you could see someone who's face was just begging to be punched, and you could say,
"Excuse me. You're very beautiful. I'd like to punch you in the face. Would you mind if I did?"

"You'd hold your breath, not wanting to offend. This could go wrong, collapsing and turning you into cruel sadists who'd make the person you'd approach feel uncomfortable and shamed of who he was....

But imagine how liberating, how freeing, how healing, when the answer comes back yes. Yes! YESSSSSSSS!"


And, obviously,

The open source swift kick to the balls project!

"As we all know, many women long to give a swift kick in the balls to some male person or other. Yet all too often women are prohibited from doing so.

...

"To this end, we propose a community-based Open Source Swift Kick to the Balls Project."


theferret responds:

In a post here.

And after freezing, and... possibly bahleeting? some comments, a reply here.

And apparently there wasn't bahleeting, but there are caps just in case.

FUN TIMES!

Bonus points: Catch the 'open sourcers support me in ???'!


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[info]chaimonkey
2008-04-23 02:01 am UTC (link)
Already posted in [info]unfunnybusiness, and for a good reason.

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[info]rowanberries
2008-04-23 02:03 am UTC (link)
*Facepalm*

And that's why I should have more JF comms friended. Thanks for the heads-up.

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(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2008-04-23 02:36 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 09:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 09:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2008-04-23 09:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 09:56 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2008-04-23 05:24 am UTC

[info]vito_excalibur
2008-04-23 02:23 am UTC (link)
WHY THANK YOU.

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(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2008-04-23 02:47 am UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2008-04-23 09:20 am UTC (link)
Personally, I found this hilarious.

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(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2008-04-23 06:38 pm UTC

[info]b_jellybean
2008-04-23 02:24 am UTC (link)
I am still completely baffled that I was at Penguicon for five hours on Friday and close to twelve on Saturday and I STILL, SOMEHOW, missed all of this.

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[info]queencallipygos
2008-04-23 02:32 am UTC (link)
Actually, I think that speaks to how this actually was somewhat more under-control than rumor says it was.

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(no subject) - [info]amokk, 2008-04-23 06:48 am UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2008-04-23 02:39 am UTC (link)
I'd react with understandable hostility if someone came up out of the blue and asked to touch *any* random part of me. So even seperating breasts from sex, and sex from shame, wouldn't change my reaction--I'd want to pop them one.

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[info]shinga
2008-04-23 03:32 am UTC (link)
The last con I went to, I had a guy come up to me before I had even gotten my badge, to ask if he could touch my feet. He started off the request by asking if I could even feel my feet. I said no and wheeled away and as I did so, he did a slow pet of my hair.

WTF.

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[info]funwithrage
2008-04-23 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. I'm not a fan of random people coming up and *talking* to me. Touching? Fuck no.

That said, if it was just the "yes" buttons, and people only asked women who wore said buttons--and the default for everyone else ever was "no"--then I have no real problem with it. Though the whole "this heals me of my pathetic high school trauma" bit makes me gigglesnort.

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[info]knightrider
2008-04-23 03:00 am UTC (link)
I just saw that stupid post and came straight here ;-)

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[info]honorh
2008-04-23 07:37 am UTC (link)
What I can't figure out is if this is the perfect place for a Boobie Train, or if it's incredibly inappropriate. Ah, well, Billie's boobs will look nice, anyway.

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magpiggles
2008-04-23 01:26 pm UTC (link)
I know it's petty and cheap but he really does look like the kind of guy who would endorse groping strangers.

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(no subject) - [info]lilgoala, 2008-04-23 10:09 pm UTC

[info]brennalarose
2008-04-23 01:54 pm UTC (link)
On one hand: yes, skeevy, plz to not be touching my tits.

On the other hand: in the right environment, it could work. Pity he hasn't found the right environment. I actually like Ferrett.

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[info]teruhiko
2008-04-23 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Wow, what a terrible idea.

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[info]big_bad_wolf
2008-04-23 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh it gets better in the comments to the Kick In The Balls post!

And to which I say, if a stranger comes up to you on the train or wherever (not a controlled area like a convention) and grabs your boob (instead of you being part of a group that allows your boob to be touched or someone making an honest mistake and accidentally lumping you in with that group and having to be schooled on the protocol) - I say kick him in the nuts. That is a very appropriate response to that.

However, the result of the OSBP was, in some cases, to make the environment uncomfortable for the women and overly sexually charged, which I completely understand, so the response would be to find a situation that reverses that for men: I have suggested the satiric event "The Open Source Bend Over Boyfriend Project" which would, IMHO, make the point to men much better than threatening physical violence.

There is a huge difference between a possible precursor to rape, which is the scenario you are playing out here in your comments, and a boob touch that is supposed to be the end-all of the OSBP. That many people, not just women, fail to see this doesn't really surprise me. We live in the time of the out-of-control or inappropriate response.


here

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2008-04-23 05:26 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rowanberries, 2008-04-23 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]randomsome1, 2008-04-27 05:43 am UTC
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[info]tofuknight
2008-04-23 09:38 pm UTC (link)
NO, MOTHERFUCKERS. NO, IT WOULD NOT.

I've been giggling about this for five minutes straight now. Mostly because I hear it in Samuel L. Motherfuckin' Jackson's voice.

...

Ok, maybe it's just the word "motherfucking" in all its declensions and conjugations.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2008-04-23 11:48 pm UTC
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[info]platedlizard
2008-04-24 05:22 am UTC (link)
Oh man, I want to post something (here) but given my experience last night it would be highly unfunny TLDR and therefore I will restrain myself.

But somehow, I doubt buttons will restrain the true perverts of the world, since flipping them off does not. *sadface*

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[info]sanguinary
2008-04-24 06:27 am UTC (link)
While the original OSBP write-up and response are utterly, utterly skeevie as fuck, at least two good things have come out of this:

a) The Open Source Women Back Each Other Up Program which is delightfully kickass and proactive.

b) While telling this story to my very traditional, very redneck 52 year old father, he laughed his ass off and sided with the outraged ladies. If my dad, handlebar mustache and all, can identify the issues with walking up to a strange woman and asking to grope her rack, then so can other dudes.

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[info]alya1989262
2008-04-24 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Bonus points: Catch the 'open sourcers support me in ???'!

The open-sourcers support him in the step before 'profit'?

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[info]snowden
2008-04-24 06:49 pm UTC (link)
For the discriminating gal, there is also Open-Source Torgo Project.

Women can wear buttons showing their willingness to have their hair fondled in a clumsy and creepy manner.

Win!

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(no subject) - [info]sudaki, 2008-04-26 02:48 pm UTC

redwarrior
2008-04-24 07:54 pm UTC (link)
This person has no concept of "personal space".

...I wonder when they're bringing out the Assburger's excuse?

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(no subject) - [info]lastscorpion, 2008-04-24 09:18 pm UTC

[info]serai
2008-04-25 04:17 am UTC (link)
*eyeroll* I saw this. I lol'd. But I lol'd at all the people getting their knickers in a twist, not at the people who seemed to have had the fun at that con.

Maybe it's because I did RenFaire for nearly a decade and had a number of had-to-be-there kind of things happen. You can never explain that sort of thing to folks who weren't there. It always sounds stupid, or weird, or offensive, or just plain WHUH?? That's one of the big problems with blogging and journals - a lot of people just don't know when to blog about something that happened and when to STFU and keep it between the people involved. Here's hoping this guy has now learned the difference.

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(no subject) - [info]randomsome1, 2008-04-27 05:34 am UTC

[info]heddychaa
2008-04-25 03:43 pm UTC (link)
I had a guy ask to touch my breasts once. A complete stranger.

I very politely refused, and then he did it anyway.

I am thinking that the asking is more of a formality than anything...

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[info]dreamer_marie
2008-04-25 11:03 pm UTC (link)
The more I think about this, the more this guy reminds me of Nobby Nobbs, who gets to date a stripper because he's the only one who dares ask her out.
Yikes, he's creepy.

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[info]isntitironic
2008-04-26 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Aw, crap. I used to like going to cons.

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