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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-04-30 13:59:00
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Entry tags:lawsuits

Internet Lawyers -- Not Just for Publishers Anymore
A Dartmouth professor has decided to sue her students (with some faculty thrown in) for discrimination. Supposedly, "discrimination" now entails students disagreeing with you. Who knew?


(If you don't want to wade through all that, there are also summaries at Gawker and IvyGate.)
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[info]scifantasy
2008-04-30 07:05 pm UTC (link)
"The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low."
--Wallace S. Sayre

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[info]coffee_mug
2008-04-30 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Dartblog seems to not be working. Overload, I guess, thanks to this case.

But yeah, wow.

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[info]chaimonkey
2008-04-30 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like my old boss who, surprise surprise, is a professor. (Adjunct for her entire career though, because she fails at life)

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[info]rowanberries
2008-04-30 07:45 pm UTC (link)
...

Well damn, obviously I'm just not trying hard enough. Nobody at Uni ever sues me for disagreeing with them.

I have a newfound appreciation for my professors. *shakes head*

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[info]naive_wanderer
2008-04-30 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Wow, those emails are... very creepy.

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OT: icon love! - [info]gaminette, 2008-04-30 09:33 pm UTC
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[info]waltraute
2008-04-30 08:14 pm UTC (link)
While students can be obnoxious little shits, you shouldn't be in the professoriate unless you're both interested in and able to redirect their own arguments against them to illustrate points and get a lively discussion going, instead of getting butthurt when they're obstinate about things which challenge their worldviews.

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[info]tangentialone
2008-04-30 08:23 pm UTC (link)
You are being specifically accused of, but not limited to, harassment.

Well, that's good. I'm sure the students wouldn't want to be limited to harassment.

and still lacking a solid apprehension of the expository essay.

I was going to make fun of this, but it turns out that is a valid way to use that word. Although I think most students have a solid apprehension of the expository essay anyway. :P

Who wants to bet that the book will be self published?

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[info]mercutia
2008-04-30 08:25 pm UTC (link)
I am personally very butthurt that the world does not conform to my wishes and people do not automatically agree that I am right about everything and I do not always get the absolute highest ratings on my job. Clearly I must redress this balance and SUE REALITY.

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[info]tinsolitus
2008-04-30 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Uh oh, I just filled out a prof evaluation today...fortunately, my prof's pretty awesome, so yeah.

But, seriously, wow. I didn't feel like closely reading all of the links; has she ever taught at a college before?

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2008-04-30 08:39 pm UTC

[info]missdaisy
2008-04-30 08:33 pm UTC (link)
She's so special I'm kind of in love with her. She's got a sweet sort of naivety; it's as though she expects return e-mails wishing her luck in her lawsuit. Plus she's cute.

Of course, I'm probably a little charmed since she's isn't a vile batshit racist idiot. It's makes a nice change from yesterday.

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[info]rhosyn_du
2008-04-30 09:16 pm UTC (link)
However, for me, a question remained: Is there room for literary theory within the framework of the laboratory?

My inner science and lit nerds weep tears of sheer horror that someone would honestly ask this question, but it's still one of the funniest things I've read all week.

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[info]mmanurere
2008-04-30 09:41 pm UTC (link)
If I don't read all the links, can I continue to pretend that the professor is making a sarcastic comment on the popularity of ZOMG TEH PROFESSER DINT PROMOTE MY POLITICS/RELIGION claims lately?

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2008-05-01 12:19 am UTC

[info]honorh
2008-04-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
The term "raving moonbat" will now be my go-to insult (from one of the Dartblog comments). This woman would seem to embody the idea. I've got to tell my dad, a college professor (retiring this year), about this, because he'll love it.

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(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2008-05-12 08:55 am UTC

pastri_archy
2008-04-30 10:00 pm UTC (link)
I am terribly amused at the notifications sent out to the students. It's one thing to be butthurt enough to think of suing someone, it's another to back it up! XD

Just imagine if that dedication was aimed towards her job...

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[info]dragonfangirl
2008-04-30 11:48 pm UTC (link)
This actually reminds me (well, the description does, I haven't read the wank itself) of a brouhaha that happened at my university in my junior year. A professor was coming to campus at night to speak at a race-issues forum. She came out afterwards to find her tires slashed, windows broken in, and the words "KIKE WHORE" spraypainted over the hood.

Next day was the only time the uni cancelled classes, for race issues awareness marches.




Course a couple months later it was revealed that the professor had staged the whole thing as a roundabout method of insurance fraud. Kind of flavored the whole thing with irony.

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[info]paladin
2008-05-01 12:33 am UTC (link)
She now appears to have added the claim that she was mocked for being Indian (amongst other batshit). The fact that she's just now mentioning this makes it look like someone informed her that there's no Title VII protection for Beautiful Snowflakes.

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[info]nekoama
2008-05-01 01:22 am UTC (link)
I was so confused for the first five minutes of reading this because my first reaction was 'Wait, Dirt-mouth has a college?'
Then I remember Superbad and that Dartmouth is an American college, no relation to the sister city of Halifax.
It's very late. I need coffee.

Related to wank: HAHAHA OH WOW.

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[info]serai
2008-05-01 05:17 am UTC (link)
The Prof. snaps back:

I've got a new job, NYAH NYAH FLOUNCE!

All we need now is a sockpuppet supporter or two and we'll have a nice Splooge Souflee!

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dracothelizard
2008-05-01 08:16 am UTC (link)
From one of her e-mails: "I am a currently a Fellow at one of the most reputed research (emphasize research) institutions in the country and I am the product of the educational system of the finest research (emphasize research) academic institutions in the country. I am very confident in my ability to teach as well and know that I will perform well where I am right now"

So, she's at some university that's all about research and she used to go to a university that's all about research (rather than teaching), and she thinks she's a good teacher? BULLSHIT.

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[info]kitrona
2008-05-01 08:52 am UTC (link)
The long email from the Dean hurt. "There" != "Their", and dearth means "scarcity".

I wish I could get paid to write her emails for her. At least I'd get basic high school English right. *sigh*

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(no subject) - [info]mary_mac, 2008-05-01 01:22 pm UTC

ravenousbunny
2008-05-01 09:17 am UTC (link)
I loved her original letter. It was deliciously insane!

I think the "Have a nice day" at the end was the icing on the cake though. "I'm going to sue you for all you're worth, you discriminatory bastards! And I'm going to write a book about how much you suck, nyah nyah! Oh, but have a wonderful day! :)"

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[info]sockpuppeteer
2008-05-01 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone think she did the suit as a preemptive strike so that when/if her book comes out that students don't sue her?

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[info]ladyvyola
2008-05-01 03:37 pm UTC (link)
I am particulary fond of one of the comments on Gawker:

I am going to go out on a limb here and say i like this lady! She sure isn't afraid to bring the crazy to the table.

We need more of that sunny attitude of appreciation for the spectacle.

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serious bzns!
[info]entrenous88
2008-05-01 04:31 pm UTC (link)
Dartmouth has always had the reputation of being extremely conservative and at times seemingly fostering bias and prejudice among its student body.

So while this particular woman may be batshit crazy, I wonder about the whole story behind this suit, what the students were saying and doing, in what context remarks were made, and, in short, the atmosphere that created this situation (though I've no doubt that the lecturer contributed).

I wonder, too, that every part of the evidence so far seems to come from Dartblog, which is of course coming out of The Dartmouth Review. This publication is *not* the college's standard campus newspaper (that's The Dartmouth, which I believe is one of the oldest student-run campus papers in the country). Rather, it's a highly conservative alternate paper -- so known as highly conservative on an already conservative campus. It is perhaps most famous for a horrible "practical joke" in which an issue ran with a passage from Mein Kampf in place of their standard motto. This was quite a while ago, to be sure (1990) but hey, turnover of attitudes and biases can take a while.

So yes, that this aca-scandal is coming out of Dartmouth, and the reporting from the Dartmouth Review -- I just wonder if there may be some basis to a few aspects of her case.

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Re: serious bzns! - [info]llama_treats, 2008-05-01 06:06 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]snarkhunter, 2008-05-01 11:04 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]entrenous88, 2008-05-02 12:00 am UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-05-02 06:03 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]frequentmouse, 2008-05-02 06:04 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]issendai, 2008-05-03 03:19 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]entrenous88, 2008-05-03 03:51 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]mistressrenet, 2008-05-04 02:27 am UTC
Re: serious bzns! - [info]koipool, 2008-05-05 07:14 pm UTC
Re: serious bzns! - redwarrior, 2008-05-06 09:18 pm UTC

[info]pocketfox
2008-05-01 09:14 pm UTC (link)
PV: ...One time Tom Cormen was sitting in the class, and she [a student] asked me, how many T’s are in Gattaca. This was the kind of question she was asking, “how many T’s are in Gattaca?,” and I was about to answer her and Tom Cormen pre-empted me, “two t’s.” I’ll leave you to interpret it.
TDR: No. No, I don’t understand that.
PV: I have to tell you: it means tenure track.
TDR: Oh, okay.
PV: Because I wasn’t tenured track.
TDR: Oh, okay, yes.
PV: They were trying to intimate that I wasn’t ready for tenure track.
TDR: Yes, okay, I didn’t realize that’s what that meant.
PV: I’m kind of making this leap because this is the kind of subversiveness that was going on in that environment. That [girl x] would ask how many t’s are in Gattaca and that Tom Cormen would respond, “two T’s” as if I had no grasp on tenure track. ..but with [girl x], something’s going on with her. I’m not a doctor, but she’s not all there.

...Okay!

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