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	Puts on wanking hat iczer6 2004-01-31 06:02 am UTC (link)
	Sorry but I think the OP comes off as jackass. As others have said you really have no way of knowing if someone is actually suffering from a disease or handicap or if they're being a lazy prick. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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crickets
2004-01-31 07:02 am UTC (link)

Feckin' word.

I had stewardesses ignore or cancel my wheelchair requests, even after I explained that I was recovering from anuerysm surgery. Weakness + meds (+ extra meds to make it through the not-as-pressurized-as-you-might-think flight) = not able to make it from one end of Hartsfield International to the other without keeling over. Really, truly.

*grr*

I'm sure there are some "lazy" people out there, but the OP needs to get over it. There are worse transgressions. Most people who want a wheelchair probably need one.

::stumbles over soapbox:: Hey, where'd that come from? Ooops...

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	Re: Puts on wanking hat iczer6 2004-01-31 07:21 am UTC (link)
	I'm sure there are some "lazy" people out there, but the OP needs to get over it. There are worse transgressions. Most people who want a wheelchair probably need one. nods I was irked by the whole overweight=lazy bastards, because we all know it's impossible for someone who's fat to have medical conditiontions that might warrent wheelchair use. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Puts on wanking hat tigerlily 2004-01-31 07:59 am UTC (link)
	Or that a life stuck in a wheel chair might leave you a bit round. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Puts on wanking hat evening_rose 2004-01-31 02:18 pm UTC (link)
	Hartsfield, as in Atlanta? ::cringes:: God, that place is a mess. I've been there all of twice, and that was quite enough for me. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Puts on wanking hat melange 2004-01-31 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sure there are some "lazy" people out there Yeah, and they're not all morbidly obese. My perfectly healthy sister (who weighs maybe 120 lbs) gets a wheelchair every time she goes to Walmart, because she claims that all that walking 'hurts her feet'. But I suppose that her behavior would be fine with the OP, because at least she isn't a fatty. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Puts on wanking hat iczer6 2004-01-31 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	This is what's getting people's backs up. The assumption the OP made that fat=lazy, and that if an overweight person wants a wheelchair or a SAP it must mean they're too lazy to walk, not because they may actually need it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

... Lazy!

deoridhe
2004-01-31 06:48 am UTC (link)

*giggles*

Don't get me started on people who can't walk up a flight of stairs and so have to use the elevator. 8) You'd be shocked at the number of people who follow me down the stairs when I head that way and we're leaving together. I hate waiting for the elevator.

It's true that it's difficult to tell between honest, externally caused difficulty and laziness, and the vitriol is a bit much, but it's stndard Customers_Suck ranting. You'd think people in there would develop thicker skins.

*snuggles*

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	kijikun 2004-01-31 08:13 am UTC (link)
	points to icon for OP (Reply to this)

	musette 2004-01-31 08:14 am UTC (link)
	Wank on both sides really -- it's quite a sterling example of rampant leaping to conclusions on all fronts. The problem is that there are people who take advantage of privileges, and unfortunately that draws scrutiny onto everyone else who legitimately needs some extra help. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	coyotegirl 2004-01-31 09:09 am UTC (link)
	Well said. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: musette 2004-01-31 09:22 am UTC (link)
	I worked in the disabled students services office at my college for awhile, and I saw some people who were managing full loads of classes against amazing odds, and then I saw people who would bitch and complain and find any excuse to beg for priveleges. Guess who got the attention. (Reply to this)(Parent)

rhi_silverflame
2004-01-31 11:49 am UTC (link)

That's been a huge problem at Disneyland of late, though I understand the new VP in charge of the park has been taking steps to curb it. Under the last VP, it was decided that in the interest of PC sensitivity, there would be no questions asked when someone came to City Hall and requested a Special Assistance Pass, which entitles the holder and a party of up to 6 people to use the special-access entrances.

Well, people had already figured out that SAPs act more or less like a universal FastPass, and when word got around that anyone could go up and ask for one . . . yup, every goddamned teenager in the park got one of their friends to get one. The line for SAP distribution was all down Main Street, and it got to the point where the SAP ride queues had as long a wait, if not longer, than the regular lines. And then you'd see these perfectly healthy little fifteen-year-old shits racing each other in wheelchairs down the walkways and then getting up and chasing each other around. I have an annual pass, and when shadowriter and I would go with a friend who was wheelchair-bound due to a shattered ankle, we realized just how bad it was.

The new VP has re-instituted the policy of requiring medical proof of disability in order for SAPs to be distributed. This is unfortunately an awful hassle for some people who may have legitimate need of the wheelchairs or ECVs, but don't have an ADA placard or other documentation on hand . . . but it's unfortunate because of the people who truly are lazy-assed little shits who just want to take advantage of the system. The ones who really end up getting the shit end of the deal are the people who have legitimate need, but don't have hard medical evidence.

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	Re: musette 2004-01-31 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	See, that's just ridiculous. Because some people are greedy shits, people who legitimately need special privleges have to jump through hoops. It's shit like that that makes me dislike humanity at large. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rhi_silverflame
2004-01-31 11:07 pm UTC (link)

Bleh, yeah . . . and the Cast Members who work at the desk in City Hall, where the SAPs get issued, get all kinds of shit from people throwing hissy fits because they can't just waltz in and get an SAP any more. Annual Passholders are responsible for a lot of it, because I guess they feel like they're entitled to special privileges just because they hold APs. (Which, if you ask me, is kind of stupid because at $47 for a one-day admission and anywhere from $107 to $270 for an AP and the associated merchandise discounts, we definitely don't pay as much per visit as the one-time visitors.)

So it sucks all around, and I'm right with you in that disliking of humanity.

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	Re: musette 2004-02-01 01:58 am UTC (link)
	Grr, yet another of my pet peeves. Just because you have a special membership or whatever does not mean you are entitled to be treated like god's gift to consumer America. You're entitled to the priveleges outlined in whatever you paid for, you aren't entitled to make other people reinvent the wheel for you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	oxydosic 2004-01-31 03:09 pm UTC (link)
	Bleh, this is what happens when i don't check over there for a couple days. To be honest i'd rather see some of the larger people ride scooters than walk up to me grotesquely huffing and gasping because they overexerted themselves walking from the front of the store to the back. It just freaks me out, because i expect them to just keel over in front of me or something. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rhi_silverflame 2004-01-31 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	And in today's litigation-happy culture, that could potentially be a whole new can o'worms . . . (Reply to this)(Parent)

	terminal_frost 2004-02-02 08:32 am UTC (link)
	Commenter wanks hard, OP starts using both hands to try and keep up. Personally I'd read the post just because you said that. It's a great mental image, that. (Reply to this)