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My home planet is dead! ([info]trisandrockets) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-07-27 15:06:00


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Entry tags:it's not easy wanking green, seattle

It's gone critical!
Or, competition to be the most self-righteous of all!

So in Seattle on Friday night there was the monthly Critical Mass event. (For those who don't know Critical Mass, it's a biking event where a large group of bikers mass together and bike through a city.) It took a violent turn when an annoyed driver hit some of the cyclists, then had his car attacked and got beaten up himself when he came out of his car. Yes, that is not funny, but it gets there, really.

The Slog, the blog of Seattle's alt-weekly the Stranger, picked up the story on Saturday. And that's where it gets generally entertaining.

The first post originally was just a mention of it happening, but was then edited to contain two conflicting eyewitness reports. And that's when the comments start, as well. Many have some irritated things to say about Critical Mass. Many people have critical things to say about the people who have critical things to say about Critical Mass. Some people are just being dicks.

Extremely pro-biking (and general troll-magnet, whatever she posts on Slog) writer Erica C. Barnett makes her first post, and there's more comment grumpiness, as well as a bit of name-calling. Fairly tame.

Another writer, Jonothan Golob, rants about the actual street that this took place on. More bitching. Check out Samantha at 25- she's copy-pasted her (rather long) rant into each comment.

Now, Erica has an opinion. As do the people in the comments- I'm particularly fond of the exchange between comments 16 and 30:
Also: why are so many slog commentators so hostile to bicyclists, to critical mass, and to anything that smacks of even mild civil disobedience? It seems like the majority of comments come from people with barely disguised vigilante fantasies, which is scary.
Posted by Trevor | July 26, 2008 8:52 PM

@16 "mild civil disobedience"??? What bullshit. You obviously know NOTHING about civil disobedience.

God, bring back the good old days of ACT UP! and Queer Nation and the like when people were performing acts of civil disobedience FOR A PURPOSE.

Your CM parades are no more of a "civil disobedience" than online petitions demanding the return of One Calorie Diet Coke to your local Fred Meyer.


Another eyewitness report! And he's a lawyer. Comment irritation approaching...uh, large amounts.

This eyewitness also claims that no one 'surrounded' the driver. In this comment thread, a new version of Godwin's Law is called for, probably as a result of this...

I agree with #24. Critical Mass is more of a local terrorist group than any sort of "civil" disobedience group and should be treated as such. Your terrorist tactics are made even more dangerous by your mob mentality and lack of leadership. I'm sure you'll ALL come forward in your pot-smoke smelling rags and plead your case as the down-trodden underdogs who pedal for peace instead of drive to fuel the oil companies pockets. But, that doesn't give you the right to beat drivers to death because you don't like them. We don't like you either. Posted by WestSeattleCyclist | July 27, 2008 9:34 AM
DING DING DING. Is there a Godwin's Law corollary for "terrorist"? If so, we have a winner!
Posted by pox | July 27, 2008 9:45 AM


Finally, this morning, Slog got a report from the driver. It's worth reading mostly for this phrase, of the driver describing the situation: “I’m gay, the person with me was a lesbian and we were a attacked by eco-terrorists. It’s the most Seattle thing that could have happened." Most commenters like the driver's statement more than the Critical Mass eyewitnesses, since he says he's sorry, at least in the first few comments. Then, they start bickering over how he could have not known he was in first gear. And then it goes in several different directions of wank.

A commenter relates a very long story about how his friend once pulled a knife on a driver that tried to hit him, which was apparently the right thing to do in that situation. Someone else disagrees. They debate who is a dumbass.

In another continuing theme, The charming skeptic thinks that everyone against Critical Mass is a cop. Like Porkchop Sandwiches, who thinks that Critical Mass might be breaking the law by blocking traffic all the time. Skeptic thinks Porkchop is definitely a cop, because why else would he think that's a problem?

There's also the continuing theme of Critical Mass as some form of civil disobedience- Judah, who posted the story about his friend pulling a knife on the driver, compares cyclists/CM participants to King, Gandhi, and the Black Panthers. He then gets called a sanctimonious fucker. Another call for a new corollary of Godwin's Law- this time about groups comparing themselves to Civil Rights groups (he may have a point there). Judah does not like people making fun of him, and tries to win obscurity points by instead comparing the situation to pea growers v. corn growers in central Washington, while also calling one of his critics an 'argumentative little weasel'.

In the latest Slog post, Erica suggests that readers contact local media to complain. Some attacks on Erica's journalistic integrity ensue. rb is still wondering what Critical Mass protests have ever actually done, which causes another commenter to snap back asking what any parade has ever done? rb responds by saying, at least they have permits, and also do these things.

Skeptic still thinks everyone against him is a cop. #7 Rider thinks Skeptic is being a jerk. Skeptic does not believe that #7 Rider really rides the bus, because the only proof that Skeptic has is that #7 Rider says he/she rides the bus.

Gadfly says that everyone- cyclist, driver, cops, media- fails on an epic scale.

I am inclined to agree with him.

And this is likely to be ongoing. Just wait until it's Monday and all the regulars get back...

And, if Slog isn't enough, bonus wank from pishbadlarr: the Seattle community at Livejournal and lots of it on the seattlebikes community as well.

but wait! there's more! (from [info]quartz): wank in the comments from another blog, including corking = kidnapping/false imprisonment! (Side note: man, bikers are angry at those Critical Mass sorts, aren't they?)



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[info]catremistrae
2008-07-28 03:08 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure about Seattle, but in Portland there seems to be two types of bicyclists.

The first type wear their cycling outfits, right down to the shoes that slip onto the pedals. They signal, go with the flow of traffic, have lights that make them easy to see, WEAR HELMETS, and so on. I like those people. I'm happy to give them their fair share of the road.

The other type are the ones that pedal down the center of the road, change direction without warning, think that traffic laws don't apply to them, and get pissed at drivers that try to avoid them. I appreciate that they are doing their part for the planet, but even cyclists have to follow traffic laws! It's people like that who give cyclists a bad name, and irritate drivers.

So, final note: HELMETS!

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[info]moosecharmer
2008-07-28 04:00 am UTC (link)
Dude, one night when I was getting off the MAX at Goose Hollow there were a good twenty Zoobombers hopping on the train. Freaked me out, but at least they were properly helmeted. You know, lest they die from crashing.

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[info]bigbigtruck
2008-07-28 04:00 am UTC (link)
I think that goes for every city.

(Although here in Austin, each type is subdivided into "person trying to get to work without going bankrupt buying gas," "college student," and "Lance Armstrong wannabe in $1500 of brand new gear.")

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[info]lunarkettle
2008-07-28 05:02 am UTC (link)
In Seattle, by my experience, the majority have all the gear of the first type and all the manners of the second. Plus a healthy dollop of holier-than-thou, and a little seizure-inducing blinky thing clipped to the back of their rain slicker.

They are bundles of fun in heavy traffic, and even more fun when they congregate in an independent coffee-shop and talk loudly about how eco-friendly and fit they are. XD

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[info]anarchicq
2008-07-28 07:13 am UTC (link)
I hate those seizure inducing blinky things!! So much!

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[info]lunarkettle
2008-07-28 07:23 am UTC (link)
They are... really something, man. And of course, having a little light that just glows steadily - or flashes at a pace that doesn't send people into an instant rage - just wouldn't be obnoxious cyclist-ish enough.

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[info]caoilte
2008-07-28 03:11 pm UTC (link)
I hate those blinking lights too but sadly they're a legal requirement here. *sadface* (thus I have one on my bike, tho I refuse to use it at night...) As are the bright-ass front lights that blind everyone within a 10km radius. (or it sure seems like it at times anyway....)

What bugs me here is that only the serious cyclists wear helmets and meet all the legal requirements for riding bikes (tho the attitude...I could do with less of) but there's more of the 'not serious' ones who don't and for some reason, the Gardai don't care. I can see if they're on our estate and such but on the open road?

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[info]the_wanlorn
2008-07-28 06:09 am UTC (link)
The other type are the ones that pedal down the center of the road

This drives me fucking insane. It's like, look, I totally get that Boston has tiny little streets and, as a rule, no bike lanes. And I get that, when there's lots of traffic going in both directions, there's not much you can do because even if you're over on the side against the row of parked cars, the line of traffic behind you probably can't squeeze between you and the oncoming traffic anyway.

That doesn't give you the fucking right to ride in the middle of the fucking lane while cars are piling up behind you. Move the fuck over so people who're moving faster than you - which, sometimes, is OTHER CYCLISTS - can swing the fuck past.

Every fucking day. This shit happens every fucking day. And, based on this being done by non-crazy people (aka everyone who's not in CM), I have a real hard time believing that the driver started it.

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[info]waltraute
2008-07-28 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I hate the people here who fucking ride on the sidewalks.

Excuse me, asshole, why are you ringing your bell at me as I'm walking down the part of the street fucking designed for walking? Do you expect me to get out of your way?

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[info]catslash
2008-07-28 03:02 pm UTC (link)
I once had a guy on a bike tell me to watch where I was going, because I had the nerve to walk out of a store just before he came along. I was like, "Maybe you should ride on the road like you're supposed to." Freaking sidewalk riders. If you're too afraid to ride on the road - which I totally would be because I grew up in a small town and still find city traffic a bit unnerving - then ditch the bike and walk.

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[info]lirazel
2008-07-28 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I'd be dead within five minutes if I tried to bike on the road. Drivers in my town have very little respect for anyone who's not traveling encased in at least 2,000 pounds of metal. At least when I see that there are pedestrians on the same sidewalk as me, I stop well in advance, dismount, pull my bike off the sidewalk, and continue on foot until I've passed the other person.

But mostly I keep my cycling to the local bike paths. Aside from the closest grocery store, there's nothing within biking distance that'd be practical for biking rather than driving.

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[info]marsdragon
2008-07-28 07:03 pm UTC (link)
In my commute to work there's a long spot where train tracks run straight down the middle of the road with a concrete divider separating them from the car lanes. The lanes are therefore very narrow, with no room for a car to get past a cyclist. Since I can't pedal as fast as a car and there aren't usually any pedestrians on the sidewalk I generally end up riding on the sidewalk most of the way along that part. It sucks, but there's not much else I can do.

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[info]waltraute
2008-07-28 08:12 pm UTC (link)
That's one thing. Doing it on a somewhat urban college campus is another...

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[info]greenling
2008-07-29 09:03 am UTC (link)
I thought they did that as a warning? That's what I was taught as a kid that the bell was for.

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[info]waltraute
2008-07-29 01:31 pm UTC (link)
When they have no rights to be on the sidewalk to begin with (and they don't), it's pretty presumptuous.

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[info]kookaburra
2008-07-28 02:27 pm UTC (link)
ARRRGH! I hate that! I live on a windy, two lane country highway. So, there's quite a few blind turns and the speed limit is 55mph but everyone goes faster than that because no cops patrol it.

EVERY WEEKEND during the summer, there's road bike racing clubs riding a huge HERD on the road, blocking traffic. I've almost gone plowing through them so many times after going round a bend. (OK, I admit a drive a bit too fast, and that there's really no shoulder, but still. SINGLE FILE PEOPLE.)

But they don't even compare to the pedestrian problem in Eugene, OR. Eugene has had a jaywalking problem for years, because of all of the stoned hippies/entitled college students/etc. So what was their solution? Give pedestrians the right of way at all times, no matter what. You can imagine how well that's worked out. (Hint: in the last three months I've probably had to slide to a stop to avoid hitting people with baby strollers who stepped out on the road without looking.)

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[info]watersword
2008-07-28 02:50 pm UTC (link)
That is the dumbest thing I have heard yet today. Pedestrians vs. cars: the cars will win. Yes, even if you have the right of way. Goddamn.

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[info]kookaburra
2008-07-28 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I've pretty much stopped driving above 15-20mph downtown and around the University.

Also, I just realized that the last sentence of my post should have read:

Hint: in the last three months I've probably had to slide to a stop twenty times or so to avoid hitting people with baby strollers who stepped out on the road without looking.

Now it makes some sort of sense. :-p

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[info]gunshou
2008-07-28 03:46 pm UTC (link)
I was leaving work at Children's Hospital Boston one night, walking on the sidewalk past the Intersection of Doom (it's so fortunate that Longwood & Brookline is in the middle of the hospital area), where there is PLENTY of room for cyclists and drivers to get along, especially at 10pm. And this asshole cyclist deliberately cut into a random catty-corner dash against the light and in front of a driver who had the green. And who hit him. As I passed, the cyclist was bitching about his bent wheel, and all I could think was, "if you'd been in a car and done that, it would have been illegal." XP

I'm all for sharing the road, but the cyclists and pedestrians who think that MA right-of-way laws allow one to be a douche and not check for traffic deserve a scare now and then.

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[info]undomielregina
2008-07-28 05:29 pm UTC (link)
all I could think was, "if you'd been in a car and done that, it would have been illegal."

Being on a bike and doing that was illegal and stupid, traffic laws just aren't well enforced for them.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2008-07-29 01:33 am UTC (link)
I work in the south side of my city, which is a bit of an artsy center for college students, so you get a lot of bikers.

A lot of bikers who apparently do not realize that the red light also applies to them as well.

Oh well, there's a rehab hospital only a few blocks away. :)

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[info]kenovay
2008-07-29 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Some cyclists are horrific, I get that. But there might be a couple of other factors. Cyclists cannot cycle right up against parked cars, because we're not massively visible and we will die if somebody tries to get out of their car onto the road or pull out of their parking space. We also can't keep pulling in, letting faster people go past, and pulling out again, because, again, we will either die or never progress anywhere, depending on how carefully it's done. Almost always, the safest and most sensible option is to stay a decent distance away from the parked cars and just keep going in a straight line.

(I massively apologise if this is all stuff you know, and you're talking about something entirely different to what I visualise, but I was recently massively boggled by somebody bitching about cyclists undertaking, which is a) completely legal and b) can you imagine how horrifically dangerous it would be for a cyclist to overtake? so I'm now like, 'OMG THE KNOWLEDGE GAP BETWEEN DRIVERS AND CYCLISTS MUST BE BRIDGED. MORE UNDERSTANDING FOR ALL.')

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[info]frequentmouse
2008-07-28 07:28 am UTC (link)
Do not forget the third sort: alcoholics who have had their driver's licenses pulled and who are riding bikes for the first time since they were sixteen, very slowly, and all too often on the wrong side of the street. I've seen them in Seattle and Portland as well as Eugene and Olympia. The wrong side of the street thing tends to be outside of town, though.

And then there's Missoula, where cyclists are polite and law-abiding for the most part, but nobody wears helmets.

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[info]platedlizard
2008-07-29 12:12 am UTC (link)
Oh man, my neighborhood is FULL of alcoholic cyclists. The other day I was walking back from the middle school track I do my outdoor running at, and one guy passed me three times on his bike. I can only assume that he was so out of shape that he had to keep stopping to rest. He was on a bike and I was OUT WALKING him.

At least he wasn't drunk, though. The drunk ones are the worst.

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[info]kenovay
2008-07-29 11:33 pm UTC (link)
But helmets look stupid. :(

(Yes, that is genuinely my reason for not wearing one, ever in my whole entire life. I'm very shallow.)

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