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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2008-11-25 10:03:00
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Entry tags:community: techsupport, defensiveness ahoy, dictionaries are for losers, get your ampersands here, grammar and spelling, language

Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.
A rocket scientist over in [info]techsupport seems to think that Americans invented the English language and that people in the UK and Australia don't speak English.

Good times.


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[info]llama_treats
2008-11-25 04:26 pm UTC (link)
I think ethnocentric dumbassery trumps a "y'all" every time.

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[info]hallidae
2008-11-25 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. I mean, ethnocentric dumbass = ethnocentric dumbass. Shockingly enough, they exist all over the country. But every time one of these posts happens, there's always the automatic assumption that ethnocentric dumbass = southerner, like we're the only source of stupid in this entire nation.

... I think I'll go find a towel now.

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iwanttobeasleep
2008-11-25 05:12 pm UTC (link)
But they've never heard a Canadian be stupid before!

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[info]sevendeadlyfun
2008-11-25 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Aww, yay Canadia! Inoffensive sweeties even on the interwebz.

That's how you know they're a myth, right?

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(no subject) - [info]caoilte, 2008-11-25 05:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]quantumreality, 2008-11-26 01:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2008-11-25 09:09 pm UTC

[info]wankismyfandom
2008-11-26 02:08 am UTC (link)
I can supply. Once, while having breakfast at a McD's in Edmonton, I overhead a bunch of people talking about the hopelessly racist, ignorant South (re: Obama) and spent some time reminding myself that a polite Southern lady does not pick fights with strangers in restaurants.

Then, a couple conversational segues later, I swear to all the gods one of them -- these SAME PEOPLE -- said, to general acclaim, "And what about those stupid Mexicans and their running of the bulls?"

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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-11-26 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2008-11-26 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2008-11-26 05:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2008-11-26 04:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2008-11-26 06:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]softgraysky, 2008-11-27 06:30 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2008-11-25 04:45 pm UTC (link)
And I just realized that I wasn't even remotely responding to your comment. Coffee time, before I put my foot in my mouth again.

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[info]issendai
2008-11-25 05:26 pm UTC (link)
What in hell is wrong with "y'all" anyway? It fills a need that broadcaster English doesn't fill. Precision > accent snobbery.

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[info]kefanii
2008-11-25 05:32 pm UTC (link)
This! I had a German teacher who said she was glad she taught in the south, because it made ihr so much easier to teach since she could just say ihr is like saying y'all.

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[info]llama_treats
2008-11-25 05:34 pm UTC (link)
That's what "youse guys" is for.

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[info]plazmah
2008-11-25 06:22 pm UTC (link)
I use both!

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[info]pariforma
2008-11-25 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I say we go back to using "thou" and "thee" for the singular and save "you" for the plural. Also, "man" will henceforth mean "human person irrespective of gender" and "were" (as in "werewolf", yes) will mean "human being of the male sort". Solves everything!

(Yes, I am a nutjob on this point.)

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[info]spacelogic
2008-11-26 02:32 am UTC (link)
I'm with thee all the way.

(Can we also restore "ain't" to its correct place as a contraction of "am not" and look at the gender-neutral pronoun thing?)

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2008-11-26 02:39 am UTC (link)
*APPROVES OF THIS LIEK WHOA*

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[info]magnolia_mama
2008-11-26 02:44 am UTC (link)
Oh, let's take things one step further and bring back dual pronouns too!

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[info]mary_mac
2008-11-26 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Dude, the midlands of Ireland never gave up 'ye'. Which confused the hell out of our nice Czech exchange students, back in the day, who were suddenly confronted with people from Athlone who used 'ye' after they'd spent a week getting to grips with the Northern use of 'youse'.

Could get behind the man and were thing, personally.

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[info]pariforma
2008-11-26 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I say we all get together and publish a newsletter on this: Teh Journal of Wanka Linguistic Reform.

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[info]keri
2008-11-25 08:23 pm UTC (link)
I've argued the same thing with the double modals that are common to Southern American English. "Used to could" doesn't mean the same thing as "used to" or just "could" god-dang-it, so stop telling me I'm an idiot when I use the phrase!

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[info]issendai
2008-11-25 09:02 pm UTC (link)
What does "used to could" mean?

This reminds me of some of the commentary over Ebonics, when scholars pointed out that black American English has several more tenses than mainstream English, so often people have trouble learning mainstream English because black English is more, not less, precise. My favorite was the difference between "He been married" and "He BEEN married," where one means "He married a while ago and has been married ever since" and one means "He was married a while ago but isn't married now." (Don't ask me which means which.) When you have that sort of precision, why give it up for workarounds?

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2008-11-25 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraangelus, 2008-11-26 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2008-11-26 03:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyssa, 2008-11-26 09:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2008-11-26 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2008-11-25 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-11-25 11:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wonderfish, 2008-11-26 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2008-11-26 06:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]specialmandate, 2008-12-07 03:26 pm UTC

[info]mindset
2008-11-25 08:56 pm UTC (link)
I love "y'all". Foreign language grammar made me realize there is a need for the second person plural, and I don't care how it looks with where I live. (Is there a word that means "anachronistic", only with location, not time?)

I'm not sure what the difference is between "y'all" and "all y'all" is, though.

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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2008-11-25 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2008-11-25 11:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artimusdin, 2008-11-25 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2008-11-26 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2008-11-26 02:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2008-11-26 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-11-25 11:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswitch, 2008-11-25 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-11-26 12:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2008-11-26 03:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2008-11-26 04:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilisliana, 2008-11-25 11:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2008-11-26 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2008-11-27 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2008-11-27 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]naive_wanderer, 2008-11-28 04:01 am UTC

[info]manny_fish
2008-11-26 02:06 am UTC (link)
Nowt wrong with y'all. At least you guys don't say "cheers heaps" instead of "thank you".

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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2008-11-26 03:36 am UTC

[info]wankismyfandom
2008-11-26 03:46 am UTC (link)
Damn right. When people up here sneer at my "y'all" in that tone that suggests they're just short of calling me a hick, I respond, "WHAT? It's a perfectly legitimate informal second-person plural pronoun!" And then, most of the time, they either get lost in the grammatical terms or confused that someone they were about to write off as a yokel is conversant with them.

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[info]sharps
2008-11-26 10:57 am UTC (link)
I'm British, so I say "Oi! You lot!" It is suitable for obtaining the attention of those whom you are addressing, and for me it just trips off the tongue easier.

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[info]mmanurere
2008-11-26 05:28 am UTC (link)
People can keep "y'all" as long as I can continue using "dude" as every part of speech (including a few that we're not supposed to have in English).

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[info]singe
2008-11-26 05:44 am UTC (link)
"Dude?"

"DUDE!"

"Oh, duuuude!"

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2008-11-26 05:54 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2008-11-26 06:17 am UTC (link)
Y'know, that totally reminded me of Tom Brokaw on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, when he jokingly said (paraphrasing) that unfortunately, f-bombs had become common language verbs, nouns, personal pronouns, even conjunctives.

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(no subject) - [info]fools_game, 2008-11-26 11:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2008-11-26 05:42 pm UTC

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