Current mood:	Entertained
Entry tags:	i'd prefer the gorn, plagiarism, sockpuppets, still not funny

Infighting, the best spectator sport
Bear with me, because this one's been fermenting for a while. Note: no links are guaranteed SFW, given the nature of the community.

Way back in September, user morilkasstory was posting (really, really bad, imo) poetry to the lj BDSM community male_dom, and users were complaining. In October, there was a major wank, and the situation threatened to descend into all out war between male_dom and dot_bdsm_snark. There was a very funny post by drcruel and that seemed to be the end of things. (Full disclaimer, I participated in this a little.)

Things were quiet until this month (although there was more poetry), when sheobeys entered the scene. Her first post comes the same day as morilkasstory's last one. This post ignites a different war, one that sheobeys has continued to ignite on several occasions. Her second post is particularly important, because that's where the first accusation of plagiarism happens. There's also at least one deleted post in this time (no caps, sadly

After some doings in locked posts, the community gets this little gem. In the comments, hitonihi links to all sheobeys' articles found on a Gorean website. Community reaction is basically "lol, wtf?"

Then, there was another deleted post, directing people to pictures...promptly followed by a similarly incomprehensible post by dadawg105. There is some confusion in the comments, but people assume he is sheobeys' master.

Then, maidenofmidian drops the bombshell you all probably knew was coming: she thinks sheobeys and morilkasstory are the same person. They both plagiarized from the same Gorean website, and they share the same habit of never responding to comments. The community explodes into a flurry of does it matter? and you're a bitch, so why should we believe you?. Of particular note is the mod's response to the plagiarism. No one is suggesting yet that dadawg105 is also a sock, but it seems only a matter of time. Regardless, the community seems to have been the recipient of well-planned and concentrated trolling for a number of months.

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	napalmnacey 2008-12-15 04:23 am UTC (link)
	It's weird. I get skeezed out by the thought of a dominant male, but the thought of a dominant female doesn't bother me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

kookaburra
2008-12-15 04:54 am UTC (link)

Well, just remember that the cool (twoo!) Dominants are people who have figured out what they want from a relationship, and have chosen to be upfront and open about it so that they can connect with their counterparts who are seeking that dynamic too.

And I understand about the skeeze - people are basically choosing to be in an unequal relationship dynamic that women have been forced to be in in the past. I can't conceive of choosing it, but my fem sub friends are happy and well-adjusted, (and most are very well educated/in very powerful corporate positions) so whatevs.

And that's my tl;dr, thoughts on yaoi. *cleans up*

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	napalmnacey 2008-12-15 05:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh no, it's an interesting topic for me. I am always intrigued by the different ways human beings choose to both have sex and exist in relationships. Different strokes, etc. As long as no one is getting hurt, I find it a fascinating subject. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	blue_penguin 2008-12-15 07:34 am UTC (link)
	As long as no one is getting hurt Might not be the best choice of words in this case... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ayezur 2008-12-15 04:17 pm UTC (link)
	Which is why I always add "...who doesn't want to be, anyway," after a beat. That, and I like seeing how people react to it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sepiamagpie 2008-12-15 09:54 am UTC (link)
	I know! This always makes me feel vaguely guilty when the topic comes up. And then I mostly just find a whole new topic. (Reply to this)(Parent)

funwithrage
2008-12-15 06:26 pm UTC (link)

Less baggage, I think.

I'm fine with either in principle. In practice, as mentioned above, male doms tend to come off as sexist asshats, especially on the Internets. And the 24/7 male-dom-female-sub lifestyle squicks me out something fierce.

Gor, because it's not "happy pretend fun times" but rather "all women secretly want this NO SERIOUSLY" crosses the dude-don't-talk-to-me line.

Plus, I hear their submissives don't get to use capital letters.

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	anonyrat 2008-12-15 06:48 pm UTC (link)
	Some non-Goreans do that. At least, my friend used to know a lesbian dom/sub couple who did and they definitely weren't Goreans. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	funwithrage 2008-12-16 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	That confuses me a little: were they saying all women wanted to be in slave/master relationships, or all women wanted to be subs and the dom was just taking on the onerous duty of dom-ing, or? Odd. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2008-12-16 05:19 am UTC (link)
	See, the Gor situation is where I would use my boot with a CAPITAL B. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	funwithrage 2008-12-16 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	Heh, yes. "Taser! For you!" (Reply to this)(Parent)

ecchaniz0r
2008-12-16 01:07 pm UTC (link)

I agree in re: baggage.

Plus, the male doms who are especially assy toward everyone have their brands of assing all but pompom-squeed by society, basically. Hurr hurr yeah put dat bitch in hur place, etc.

However, the cool ones are just amazingly - the sheer WITHERING CONTEMPT I've seen the mete out on dumbass Goreans and dumbass male doms is a beautiful sight. I still remember one smackdown; I actually c/p'ed it though I don't even remember where it was or who the dom guy was. Stupid bookmark failure. *cry!*

Either way! To the irritant, one of the cool dominant guys said: "Yes, sonny boy, we get it; you are a dominant. (Not a 'dominate'.) No, you are not my dominant. Or [female user]'s dominant. Or, indeed, the dom of anyone on this list, so why in fuck should any of us defer to you automatically and cater to your every whim because you're a dom like, oh, about a third of the people here (and yes, that includes women, you paragon of brilliance)? Don't attempt to get your internet spankety-spankety control fantasy fix on by being a goddamn asshole to everyone here; it's rude to subject people online whom you don't know from Val Kilmer to your kinks when they are not interested in you or your kinks. You are a dom. Congratulations. The world is not your submissive. If you do not cease to behave like the kind of I-just-discovered-Gor-and-think-myself-to-be-the-big-man imbecilepretty much everyone here hates, we will be all too happy to turf your inconsiderate ass And knock off the homophobia too, lest the banhammer more swiftly find your backside. To put it in terms you'll better udnerstand: loln00b lrn2etiquette. Straighten up and fly right or get out."

In that case a clue happened! The n00b guy was all 'HAY IM NOT SUBJECTIN POEPLE TO MAH oh wait shit fuck sorry'. Was never the most progressive cookie in the jar, I'd wager, but the next time I went to that page he was still posting and his threads didn't consist of only a long, long column of smackdown-posts, so he likely lost the 'tude and got a clue.

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	ecchaniz0r 2008-12-16 01:09 pm UTC (link)
	(gak. those typos are mine. the saved post had this weirdass carriage return format that i had to manually wrangle into line and i failed at deletion and formatting a couple times. oops. whoever you are, cool dom guy, i apologise. XD) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	funwithrage 2008-12-16 03:17 pm UTC (link)
	Dude. I'm not kinky, and that still makes me hot. Damn. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ecchaniz0r 2008-12-17 05:25 am UTC (link)
	As kinks go, I'm only along the lines of perhaps a leisurely curve (seriously, admit to a close friend that you dig the idea of bondage...and sometimes they start to feel sorry for you for being embarrassed about that and assume you had a very fundamentalist upbringing XD) but - yeah. i was all, EXCUSE ME SIR, I'LL JUST BE HUGGING YOUR KNEE IN JOY. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	brennalarose 2008-12-19 03:20 am UTC (link)
	fans self Loosen my corsets, I'm in lust. Smart people are my kink. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	anonyrat 2008-12-15 06:53 pm UTC (link)
	Me too. Unless it's someone I know to be cool (like, finding out one of my friends is a male Dom), I automatically tend to assume that male doms are creepy. This is probably unfair, but w/e. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dragonfangirl 2008-12-16 01:57 am UTC (link)
	I get skeezed out by the thought of a dominant male, but the thought of a dominant female doesn't bother me. Possibly because I've never met a domme who was obsessed with the idea that all men are secretly subs that just want to be owned and abused and just don't want to admit it, whereas I encounter this attitude all the time in male doms. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	undomielregina 2008-12-16 05:09 am UTC (link)
	...I have; there are crazy ones on both sides. I've just decided that they're all people who can't deal with the idea that they deviate from the norm, and so conceptualize their reality thus: "I am just like everyone else, therefore, when everyone else claims not to be interested in this thing I do, they must be lying." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2008-12-16 05:24 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. I've had more than one dom come onto me in social websites and I'm like, "Look at my profile. I am clearly an independent, strong woman. In what deluded fantasy would I EVER be a sub?!" Dumb jerks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	undomielregina 2008-12-16 05:33 am UTC (link)
	...ouch, way to unfairly stereotype me there XD Most of the women I know who are open about their kinks are independent and strong, because it takes that kind of woman to be vocal about her sexual preferences. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2008-12-16 05:59 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't word that right. A normal, regular sub who just likes a certain kind of sex is fine. I'm talking the kind of subs some of these creepy male doms are looking for, not your normal sane kind. Again, sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	undomielregina 2008-12-16 06:15 am UTC (link)
	'scool, now that I see what you're saying, I know the type you mean. Over on dot_bdsm_snark, they get called "doormats". (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2008-12-16 06:27 am UTC (link)
	Phew! Heh, that's probably much nicer than what they get called by their doms. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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