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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-01-23 18:43:00
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Did you know we're responsible for the fall of civilization?
So, New Yorker film critic David Denby wrote a book called Snark: It's Mean, It's Personal, and It's Ruining Our Conversation. Tell us how you really feel, David. Or even better - how about everyone else telling us how they really feel?

(NEWSFLASH: Keith Olbermann NOT snarky. Film at 11.)
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[info]gynocrat
2009-01-24 01:12 am UTC (link)
Bill O'Reilly is a blowhard = name calling?
Bill O'Reilly is a blowhole = snarky?

I think I getz it.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2009-01-24 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gynocrat, 2009-01-24 01:22 am UTC
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[info]meagenimage
2009-01-24 01:13 am UTC (link)
They can deprive me of snark only when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

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(no subject) - [info]edgyspice, 2009-01-24 01:15 am UTC
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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-01-24 01:20 am UTC (link)
But snark is my only defense against morons! Don't take that away!

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[info]white_serpent
2009-01-24 01:23 am UTC (link)
Snark releases the anguish of the dispossessed, envious, and frightened

But, no! We're JUST JELLUS? Say it ain't so, David!

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2009-01-24 03:16 am UTC
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[info]sandglass
2009-01-24 01:27 am UTC (link)
I don't think the Internet will be a better place for his example. Snark might not make for good conversation, but defensive hostility doesn't either.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-01-26 08:25 am UTC

[info]white_serpent
2009-01-24 01:34 am UTC (link)
Wait, what? He's not even coherent:

if you're young and you sleep around or do some cocaine at a party in college, it's going to show up on Google 10 years later. I'm sure these snarky insults have an inhibiting effect on people's behavior.

"Gee. Maybe I shouldn't post the information about my cocaine habit online."

Yes, now I see how we're ruining the world.

If we can't go somewhere without someone taking our pictures, then we're inviting ourselves to be snarked.

What?

When conversational threads collapse into racism, misogyny and Holocaust denial, that ruins the conversation for those people that are in it.

...And snark is to blame for this. Obviously.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-01-24 01:41 am UTC (link)
Yes, because before the invention of snark, everyone was always perfectly civil, reasonable, and courteous, and perfect gentlemen to each other in conversation.

And you know I'm being perfectly sincere, because to be otherwise would mean I was being snarky.

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(no subject) - [info]ayezur, 2009-01-24 05:56 am UTC
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[info]erototoxin
2009-01-24 01:57 am UTC (link)
I love the title of Gawker's entry.

And if it wasn't for snark, there'd be nothing left on the internets but porn...

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[info]lyssa
2009-01-24 02:11 am UTC (link)
You know kids these days. Always snarking people's bad fics labors of love and calling them out on their bullshit. Civilization is doomed.

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[info]hallidae
2009-01-24 02:13 am UTC (link)
This guy's clearly not all that well-read. Mark Twain? Hell, Socrates? Snark's been around fer-goddamn-ever, we just now have an "official" name for it.

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2009-01-24 02:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2009-01-24 03:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2009-01-24 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-01-24 08:56 am UTC
I need to get out more. - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2009-01-24 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2009-01-24 12:52 pm UTC

[info]gun
2009-01-24 02:50 am UTC (link)
Better dial whine-one-one...

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(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2009-01-24 08:00 am UTC

[info]seiberwing
2009-01-24 03:18 am UTC (link)
Snark. He keeps saying that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

..actually, I can't even tell what he thinks he means.

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[info]undomielregina
2009-01-24 03:24 am UTC (link)
Personally, I think he's just pissed at having to share space with Anthony Lane. For a sampling of that critic, see here: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/05/23/050523crci_cinema

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(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2009-01-24 12:46 pm UTC
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[info]senor_pinata
2009-01-24 03:56 am UTC (link)
Weird, I just found and looked at that book today. I LOL'd and put it back.

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[info]fevered_ego
2009-01-24 04:06 am UTC (link)
BAWWWWWWWWWW! You kids get off my lawn!

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[info]mcity
2009-01-24 05:40 am UTC (link)
I'd argue that snark can be as valid a form of criticism as any other. God knows we need a lot of laughter these days. Heck, one of my favorite writers, SJ Perelman, frequently turned in articles that bear an eerie resemblance to an MST. Not to mention Mark Twain's review of the Last of the Mohicans.

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2009-01-24 07:35 am UTC
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[info]poisonyoulove
2009-01-24 06:10 am UTC (link)
Snark: It's Mean, It's Personal, and It's Ruining Our Conversation Making Our Conversations Fun.

There. Fixed that for ya.

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[info]singe
2009-01-24 07:59 am UTC (link)
Snark: It's Mean, It's Personal, and It's Ruining Our Conversation.

"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force."

Dorothy Parker

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-01-24 10:04 am UTC (link)
Someone has had their feelings hurt methinks.

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(no subject) - [info]apoplexia, 2009-01-25 01:34 pm UTC

[info]spawn_of_kong
2009-01-24 12:58 pm UTC (link)
David Denby reminds me of the stereotypical, cantankerous adult who can't understand the actions of today's youth. Snark is not the only thing he's targeted. Anyone who's read his reviews of movies like Sin City and The Dark Knight will notice that he believes such films promote/glorify violence in the real world, kinda like the people who blamed the Columbine shooting on video games and The Matrix.

And yes, my icon probably sums the whole thing up better, I suppose...

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-01-24 01:03 pm UTC

[info]midnight_hawk
2009-01-24 02:40 pm UTC (link)
David Denby wrote a book called Snark: It's Mean, It's Personal, and It's Ruining Our Conversation.

They'll publish anything these days.

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(no subject) - [info]da_angel729, 2009-01-24 03:12 pm UTC
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[info]funwithrage
2009-01-24 05:13 pm UTC (link)
I believe the most applicable phrase here is: "Cry more, n00b."

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(no subject) - [info]snarkhunter, 2009-01-26 04:33 pm UTC

[info]sparkysrevenge
2009-01-24 05:35 pm UTC (link)
In the book, I discuss how when people spoke about him during the campaign, I felt like much of the conversation was in coded racist insults. When people said he was Muslim, people were really talking about race. But racial prejudice is not something anyone can openly admit anymore. Snark is the antidote for "We don't want black people here, but we're not going to say that." I was worried he wouldn't win, and it turned out I was wrong. So many people protected our Democratic prince.

Wait... so your last sentence in this paragraph isn't snark? Seriously? Wow.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-01-25 09:36 am UTC
Fuck you, Denby.
[info]napalmnacey
2009-01-24 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Aye, quip and you may cry. Run, and you'll get bored... at least a while. And lying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell this douchebag that he may take our porn, but he'll never take... OUR SNARKAGE!

(Yeah, Mum was watching it tonight. She fuckin' loves that movie, man, she's seen it a million times. And clearly, so have I. LOL!)

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[info]kefanii
2009-01-24 07:40 pm UTC (link)
David Denby! Never have liked his movie reviews, but that's probably because my father apparently 'agrees with everything he says' even before seeing the movie.

Won't be letting him get anywhere near this book.

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