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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-01-27 21:12:00


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American weeaboos. What.
(Part fandom, part otf, part political...heck, I'll just put it here)

[info]rihatsu62 is starting her own comic and she wants [info]brits_americans to know all about it.

Name's Rihatsu, from the UK, and I've just started work on a vigilante-type webcomic, working title Foothold. My main influences are Watchmen, Atlas Shrugged, Bosch Fawstin and those retro 1960s Marvel comics of the Captain America/Iron Man ilk.

In the not-so-distant future, the Union of European Socialist Republics has renounced its history and denounced its culture, semi-Islamising according to popular demand, its economy failing and its people starving. Japan, a closed nation, withdraws from the global stage, its government sending agents across the world to monitor the international situation. The world as we know it is falling apart.

Amidst the chaos, only one nation—the United States of America—retains its former identity and prosperity. But slowly, the social and political institutions of the USA show signs of collapse. Donations of taxpayer's money are sent more and more frequently to the UESR, with no return and no signs of improvement in the recipient nations. The media attacks with increasing frequency and viciousness the industrialists and businessmen of America. The government is distrusted and the Universities preach altruism, relativism and, above all, pessimism.

Coinciding with a series of terrorist attacks that rock Philadelphia to the core, the paths of four unlikely individuals cross, and it soon becomes clear that optimism, individualism and integrity must prevail before America—and the world—can be saved...


[info]brits_americans is less than enthralled, most notably [info]ladykathryn.

That's interesting. It sounds like "V for Vendetta", only without the social insight and cutting criticism of unthinking patriotism, xenophobia, and herd behavior.

The ensuing commotion features a complete and painful lack of understanding of socialism, collectivism, class structure, human nature, and the entirety of American society. I think this particular gem illustrates it well:

What relationship between class and race? Traditionally here, the working class was white English and Irish. This hasn't changed. There are lots of white working classes and lots of black working classes. And while in this country, where class is based more on tradition, there are few black upper-classes, there are a LOT of black middle classes. I'm unsure of the situation in america, but i bet it's less tradition-based and more money based.

Also somehow transhumanism gets into it, I'm not sure what happened there.

Bowing to communist collectivist pressure, she later removes references to Rand from her list of influences for the comic. Sadly, it's still very obvious.


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[info]mmanurere
2009-01-27 11:06 pm UTC (link)
My main influences are Watchmen, Atlas Shrugged,

Heh. I'd like to hear Alan Moore's thoughts on being paired with Ayn Rand as a supposedly compatible ideological influence.

No, Rihatsu, Rorschach is not supposed to be an example of a morally upstanding individual (except for maybe one decision at the end).

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[info]seiberwing
2009-01-27 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Just reading his Twinkie ad told me that.

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[info]kadath
2009-01-27 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Adrian Veidt = John Galt. I mean, clearly.

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[info]beccastareyes
2009-01-27 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Okay, now I want to see this person explain this to Alan Moore and get his response. Preferably on video, so it can go to YouTube for the amusement of the masses.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2009-01-27 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't be much of a video. The explanation, Moore digesting what he's just been told, and then a bright glow from his eyes that suddenly cuts off as the feed goes black.

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[info]kosaginolegion
2009-01-27 11:57 pm UTC (link)
And the fly on the wall wouldn't survive long enough to tell us what happens next.

Or anyone else in the room, for that matter.

Hmmm. You think we could persuade the webcomic writer to visit Moore and tell him all about it? From a safe distance, of course.

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[info]paladin
2009-01-28 12:53 am UTC (link)
I support this product or service.

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Plucky girl detective sez...
[info]seiberwing
2009-01-28 01:09 am UTC (link)
Never mind, he doesn't seem to think Rorschach's brutal enough anyway.

Dexter is a serial killer. He's smart. He's also a forensic detective, specializing in blood-spatter analysis. He has a compulsion to murder—but instead of becoming a rampaging psychopath, he sets himself moral guidelines on who he is allowed to kill. He won't kill children. He will kill those who are murderers themselves and who, to the best of his judgement, will kill again; those who pose a danger to civilised society. If I recall correctly, Dexter's first kill was a man who had murdered (and possibly raped?) some little boys.

I liked Dexter. He's like a superhero. He's like how Rorschach might have been if I had written Watchmen instead of Moore. He's not perfect, he is psychotic and compulsive. But he's also clever, and he's also moral. He allows his actions to be guided by his principles, and what results is a very human, believable character who in committing his murders does essentially nothing more than protect society. It's probably good that he enjoys it; if he didn't, he might stop.

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[info]re_weird
2009-01-28 01:23 am UTC (link)
What a remarkable moment of Fan Dumb. *facepalm*

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[info]seiberwing
2009-01-28 01:25 am UTC (link)
One of those people who is a great hero in their own heads and has no idea what it actually means to kill someone.

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Re: Plucky girl detective sez... - [info]re_weird, 2009-01-28 01:50 am UTC
Re: Plucky girl detective sez... - [info]seiberwing, 2009-01-28 02:58 am UTC
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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-01-28 01:28 am UTC (link)
He's like how Rorschach might have been if I had written Watchmen instead of Moore.

ALL GOOD THINGS IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER IF THEY'D BEEN ABOUT ME.

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[info]veleda_k
2009-01-28 02:06 am UTC (link)
...Way to totally misunderstand, not only Dexter as a character, but the plot of the show.

The stupid is strong with this one.

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[info]risha
2009-01-28 02:29 am UTC (link)
...did they somehow miss the giant, blinking, "SERIAL KILLER" sign above Rorschach's head?

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[info]seiberwing
2009-01-28 02:58 am UTC (link)
But serial killers are good things, if they're on our side! This could never go horribly wrong!

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[info]_goblin_
2009-01-28 03:57 am UTC (link)
I liked Dexter. ... He's not perfect, he is psychotic and compulsive. But he's also clever, and he's also moral. He allows his actions to be guided by his principles, and what results is a very human, believable character who in committing his murders does essentially nothing more than protect society.

*eye-twitch*

Read the freaking book, don't just watch TV. That is not Dexter.

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[info]sandglass
2009-01-28 04:15 am UTC (link)
That's not HBO!Dexter, either.

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[info]white_tean
2009-01-30 01:33 pm UTC (link)
I've watched a bit of the television series, (only a bit though) and that isn't even in the same forest as the Dexter character portrayed in that.

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[info]bobafeis
2009-01-28 04:38 am UTC (link)
He's like how Rorschach might have been if I had written Watchmen instead of Moore.

Let's all take a minute now and light candles and sing songs of rejoicing that s/he didn't write Watchmen. Hell, make it ten minutes.

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[info]miraba
2009-01-28 05:15 am UTC (link)
*pauses* This person should have attended the Dexter and the Nature of Evil at Arisia a bit over a week ago. We would have torn her to shreds.

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[info]misachan
2009-01-28 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I think ethics and morals are being confused. Dexter is ethical, in his own weird twisted way: he has a code he lives by. This does not mean he's particulary moral; the dude still dismembers people on a regular basis. And not as some kind of moral imperative to protect society, but because he enjoys it.

In D&D terms, Dex is Lawful but he sure as hell isn't Good. The two are not the same.

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[info]frequentmouse
2009-01-28 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Also? Serial killers all have narrow categories of preferred victims; it's sort of the definition of a serial killer. It's not a moral judgement, it's a kink.

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[info]vzg
2009-01-28 03:03 am UTC (link)
I just have to keep on going back to the fake review on the back of America: The Book—

"This is similar to my works in that anyone who reads it is sure to be an asshole for at least a month afterward."

And I am forever glad I decided not to read the last hundred paged of The Fountainhead, English class be damned.

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[info]mmanurere
2009-01-28 07:28 am UTC (link)
And I am forever glad I decided not to read the last hundred paged of The Fountainhead, English class be damned.

Ugh. I lost so much respect for a family friend who was a fellow lit-geek when he told me that he intended to assign that steaming pile of crap to his high-school students...

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[info]vzg
2009-01-28 07:51 am UTC (link)
I don't think my teacher enjoyed it, but it was one of the things she said we would be "expected to have read" one day.

I admit, I am still waiting for that day.

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[info]rachelmap
2009-01-28 07:54 am UTC (link)
As aversion therapy?

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