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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-01-27 21:12:00


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American weeaboos. What.
(Part fandom, part otf, part political...heck, I'll just put it here)

[info]rihatsu62 is starting her own comic and she wants [info]brits_americans to know all about it.

Name's Rihatsu, from the UK, and I've just started work on a vigilante-type webcomic, working title Foothold. My main influences are Watchmen, Atlas Shrugged, Bosch Fawstin and those retro 1960s Marvel comics of the Captain America/Iron Man ilk.

In the not-so-distant future, the Union of European Socialist Republics has renounced its history and denounced its culture, semi-Islamising according to popular demand, its economy failing and its people starving. Japan, a closed nation, withdraws from the global stage, its government sending agents across the world to monitor the international situation. The world as we know it is falling apart.

Amidst the chaos, only one nation—the United States of America—retains its former identity and prosperity. But slowly, the social and political institutions of the USA show signs of collapse. Donations of taxpayer's money are sent more and more frequently to the UESR, with no return and no signs of improvement in the recipient nations. The media attacks with increasing frequency and viciousness the industrialists and businessmen of America. The government is distrusted and the Universities preach altruism, relativism and, above all, pessimism.

Coinciding with a series of terrorist attacks that rock Philadelphia to the core, the paths of four unlikely individuals cross, and it soon becomes clear that optimism, individualism and integrity must prevail before America—and the world—can be saved...


[info]brits_americans is less than enthralled, most notably [info]ladykathryn.

That's interesting. It sounds like "V for Vendetta", only without the social insight and cutting criticism of unthinking patriotism, xenophobia, and herd behavior.

The ensuing commotion features a complete and painful lack of understanding of socialism, collectivism, class structure, human nature, and the entirety of American society. I think this particular gem illustrates it well:

What relationship between class and race? Traditionally here, the working class was white English and Irish. This hasn't changed. There are lots of white working classes and lots of black working classes. And while in this country, where class is based more on tradition, there are few black upper-classes, there are a LOT of black middle classes. I'm unsure of the situation in america, but i bet it's less tradition-based and more money based.

Also somehow transhumanism gets into it, I'm not sure what happened there.

Bowing to communist collectivist pressure, she later removes references to Rand from her list of influences for the comic. Sadly, it's still very obvious.


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[info]dorothy1901
2009-01-27 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I got that far when the reference to "retro 1960s Marvel comics of the Captain America/Iron Man ilk" pinged my "clueless writer" radar. You could, perhaps, make a case that the DC comics of that period were retro, with their emphasis on reviving long-defunct superheroes such as Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Hawkman, etc. Marvel, though, was anything but retro in the 1960s. I can think of exactly two characters out of dozens (Captain America and Namor) who weren't completely new.

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[info]seiberwing
2009-01-27 11:42 pm UTC (link)
They may have meant the old, sci-fi-ish 60s comics with their space ships and aliens and technology that should not by any logical standard have worked that way. But that was way before the 1960s.

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[info]ayezur
2009-01-28 05:02 pm UTC (link)
The sixties Marvel junk was scary-progressive. Russian. On the X-men. During the Cold War. Who was proud of his country and his people but also absolutely, unquestionably loyal to the team.

Not to mention Storm becoming the bosslady after Cyclops huffed off to find himself.

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[info]risha
2009-01-28 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I always thought that Colossus did a really good job making his home collective seem like a great place to grow up. Not to mention that his also-farm boy brother grew up to be a famous cosmonaut, so apparently their opportunities in life weren't at all limited.

I think that he was introduced in the seventies, though.

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[info]dorothy1901
2009-01-28 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Yes and yes, except that wasn't the 1960s. The New X-Men (Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, etc.) were introduced in the mid-1970s. 1960s Marvel wasn't especially progressive, but it was contemporary, as opposed to retro.

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[info]ayezur
2009-01-28 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Blast and tarnation. I could have sworn they were the sixties.

I don't know, I wasn't even born then, it's all the same to me

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