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Keri ([info]keri) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-02-13 20:21:00


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Entry tags:at least they're not reading twilight, books, taking shit too seriously

LibraryThing: Yes, they have wank, too.
LibraryThing: a place to list your books, talk about books, and have meaningful discussions about whether Book A is the same as Book B.

One of the features of LT is that five different people can enter five different editions of a book into their catalogues, but thanks to the combining function, those five books show up as the same work. That means reviews for a Penguin edition of Pride & Prejudice are linked to reviews for a Tor edition are linked to reviews for the Barnes & Noble edition are linked to reviews for the Bantam edition, plus the French translation or the Klingon translation or whatever. It makes it possible to have 'connections' - to see what other books people own that share connections with you. Plus other things.


Combining books into works isn't always automatic, though, so there are lots of people who take it upon themselves to do it. And then you get bad combinations, so someone else will come through and separate a work. This can get really messy, say if someone combined a regular P&P plus Pride & Prejudice & Zombies plus a P&P: Vol 1 and P&P: Vol 2 and then maybe an edition that has both P&P and Sense & Sensibility. Everything has to be separated out, then like combined with like.

But whether works are the same work or not can be pretty vague. So Tim Spalding, the guy behind LT, came up with what's known as the Dinner Party Rule: if someone were to announce drunkenly at a dinner party "_____ is my favorite book ever!" and he's talking about edition X, would a conversation about the book with someone who owns edition Y cause any confusion? (er, more or less. I'm bad at explaining it.) So an abridged version isn't the same as an unabridged version, but the translation and the original language versions are the same. Got it?


It's a recipe for wank, and it didn't fail.

See: Are Norton Critical Editions the same as regular editions?

It all started with rorrison saying "some idiot went and combined the NCE with the plain edition, even though there was a notice saying DON'T DO WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO" and then turns into a small debate over whether the idiot was right or not, but mostly people were strongly separatists, or only mild lumpers.

I LOLed and commented on that, and then BAM the thread asploded with people strongly in favor of lumping showing up to argue with the people strongly in favor of separating, and the argument has gone nowhere for several days now, and it keeps growing.

And it's not limited to the NCEs, either. We now have a bit of a debate brewing over the Chicago Manuel of Style editions and where Upstate New York begins. Plus another, almost identical thread that also began today: "If anthology X has 10 stories and anthology Y has 9 stories, but they only have 4 in common, are they the same work? And are they the same according to the Dinner Party Test?"


The best part about all this? And the thing that makes me shake my head and laugh at everyone arguing in those threads? No matter what is ultimately decided, someone else will come through and combine/separate the works based on their own preferences. (And then, of course, someone else will try to fix it, before it gets changed again. Like wiki editing wars. It happens all the time!)



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[info]melannen
2009-02-14 03:06 am UTC (link)
Arguing about editions and combining is what that group *does* - every thread on there either dies or turn into niggling; the point of the group is arguing tiny points of policy into the group.

Now, if you want *real* LT wank, I recommend The Great Dryer Sheet Saga, which is still one of my very favorite case studies in what happens when you get hundreds of people who are by definition linguiphiles and obsessive cataloguers: a discussion of how to remove odor turns into an argument about whether it's a laundromat if it has staff which degenerates into phrases like "There is no fundamental appeal to time here; a synchronic analysis works fine" and "Linguists are still heavily split over which is the correct usage of the word 'moot'" and random pictures of skinks. All in just fifty comments!

(Also, uh, it's not really good ettiquette to wank a discussion that you participated in, fyi.)

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[info]keri
2009-02-14 03:20 am UTC (link)
Oh, god, I've been watching the talk stuff for only a few weeks, but most of it seemed so mild and relatively polite, so the NCE thing made me stop and go "what the hell." But that dryer sheet thread...holy crap, it's awesome. I suspected that LTers could be like that, but (obviously) hadn't seen the depths to which they could fall just yet.




(Also, uh, it's not really good ettiquette to wank a discussion that you participated in, fyi.)

Yeah, I thought about that, but felt my comment in the thread was pretty minor, and it occurred before the wank really started. Plus, I've seen other people mention that they had commented before the wank really began, so figured it'd be okay.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-02-14 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2009-02-14 05:05 am UTC

[info]kookaburra
2009-02-14 04:20 am UTC (link)
Oh, that's beautiful.

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[info]sarracenia
2009-02-14 08:45 am UTC (link)
That's one of the most beautiful wanks I've ever seen.

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[info]herongale
2009-02-14 11:01 am UTC (link)
That is a beautiful, beautiful wank. Thank you.

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[info]miraba
2009-02-14 04:15 pm UTC (link)
That's amazing.

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[info]damien
2009-02-15 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Dear gods. That thread made sense for a good portion of the way and I TOTALLY forgot that I'd arrived there from FW. I was just happily reading about how to change the scent of my books.

And then WHAM. I was pointedly reminded of its origins.

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[info]rimrunner
2009-02-16 04:08 am UTC (link)
Welcome to my profession.

(I'm a librarian, yes.)

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(no subject) - [info]palabradot, 2009-02-18 07:13 pm UTC

[info]ecchaniz0r
2009-02-16 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Wow, Rule42 is a special little muffinbutt inn't he.

Yes, hon, you're awesome because you are a guy who does laundry. If that's your criterion for badass, then my fiancé is fucking superman; he vacuums too. XD


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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2009-02-14 03:08 am UTC (link)
I misread "Bantam edition" in the first paragraph as Batman edition" at first. I'm slightly disappointed that such a thing doesn't exist.

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[info]llama_treats
2009-02-14 03:10 am UTC (link)
"What don't you fucking understand, Elizabeth Bennet?"

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(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2009-02-14 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2009-02-14 03:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-02-14 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marumae, 2009-02-16 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-02-16 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vito_excalibur, 2009-02-16 05:02 am UTC

[info]zhinxy
2009-02-14 07:26 am UTC (link)
It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single orphan in possession of good fortune must become...

Become...

A BAT!

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(no subject) - [info]hobbitsexual, 2009-02-14 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zhinxy, 2009-02-14 07:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imp, 2009-02-14 12:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miraba, 2009-02-14 03:11 pm UTC

[info]eleutheria
2009-02-14 03:59 am UTC (link)
Unless I'm completely missing it, there's nothing about the Chicago Manual or NY State in that third link of yours-- are you sure you got the right link?

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2009-02-14 04:14 am UTC

[info]loquaciousquark
2009-02-14 04:39 am UTC (link)
OMG THIS IS THE CUTEST WANK EVER. *hearts so much*

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[info]witty
2009-02-14 05:14 am UTC (link)
We now have a bit of a debate brewing over the Chicago Manuel

This is Batmanuel's cousin, right?

We already know he is Stylish. I am thinking rhinestones on his mask.

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(no subject) - tree, 2009-02-14 01:57 pm UTC

[info]chibikaijuu
2009-02-14 06:02 am UTC (link)
Oh God, my mother hangs out there.

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(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2009-02-14 06:17 am UTC

[info]brennalarose
2009-02-14 06:34 am UTC (link)
Book wank: It's not knitting wank, but it'll do.

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[info]meagenimage
2009-02-14 09:31 am UTC (link)
Ah, the eternal lumper vs. splitter war, as old as the Internet.

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(no subject) - [info]rimrunner, 2009-02-16 04:10 am UTC

tree
2009-02-14 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I had a LT account back when it was new, but I grew frustrated with the lack of support for books not written/published in English and thus having to enter every damn thing manually, so I gave up. I should check it out again to see if things have improved.

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(no subject) - [info]florence_craye, 2009-02-14 03:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mummimamma, 2009-02-14 08:14 pm UTC

[info]persephonelives
2009-02-14 04:58 pm UTC (link)
*sniff* I love you, LibraryThing. Never change.

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[info]singe
2009-02-14 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Am I correct in assuming LT is just a pissing contest for who possesses, or who has read, the most books? Or is claiming to?

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(no subject) - [info]undomielregina, 2009-02-14 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-02-14 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melannen, 2009-02-15 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-02-15 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]altoidsaddict, 2009-02-15 03:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-02-15 05:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]altoidsaddict, 2009-02-15 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-02-15 05:50 am UTC

[info]demonbean
2009-02-14 08:40 pm UTC (link)
I thought we had a broad consensus on
(1) Death in Venice (single story edition / any ed. any translation)
(2) Death in Venice & Other stories (multiple stories / any ed. any translation)

If everybody is going to make Disambiguation notices with conflicting policies, then after a while nobody will take heed.


Oh, internet, never change.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-02-14 11:23 pm UTC (link)
...

*getting a headache just reading your policy summary*

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[info]janegraddell
2009-02-15 03:15 am UTC (link)
I love the Combiners! forum. :)

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2009-02-15 03:31 pm UTC (link)
I love the surname Spalding.

/random.

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-02-18 06:54 am UTC

 
   
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