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Feministing Porn Wank
Over on feministing.com, Steven asks So I am wondering what the view of porn are here. How it affects men, women, society. Good affects, bad affects, all that stuff. among other things and spawns wank.

Lilith Luffles scores with the first mention of Andrea Dworkin's view of porn. In the replies to that, RuPaula and meeneecat debate women's cum shots.

Sarah whines that people who like porn don't watch her porn and has low reading comprehension.

In the same thread, porn stars (and all sex workers) are slaves of the patriarchry. Actually, all women are slaves of the patriarchy and nothing more than their bodies.

Rachel in WY complains that porn is made for men.

MASHBengal thinks written and animated porn are worse than live action porn and more demeaning. timothy_nakayama asked for her thoughts on yaoi, but she doesn't respond.

kaitlynva demands that someone think of the children.

Your fantasy is wrong. You're just a tool of the patriarchy.

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	mydemand 2009-02-27 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, the good ol' Rad Fems vs Sex-Positive Fems argument again. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2009-02-27 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	How come the Radical Sex-Positive Feminists are never invited to the picnic? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mydemand 2009-02-27 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	THEY EXIST? (seriously. The Rad Fems I've met claim that sex work = exploitative is a central tenet of RadFemness...) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	beachlass 2009-02-28 12:02 am UTC (link)
	We got invited that one time... but then they caught us making out in the bushes after someone mistook the lube in our picnic basket for a vegan condiment and squirted it all over the veggie dogs. We didn't get invited back. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	florence_craye 2009-02-28 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	XD True!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	heddychaa 2009-02-28 10:49 pm UTC (link)
	I won't lie. I totally sprung this debate on my Grade 11s the other day by asking if flappers hurt the women's rights movement in Canada in the 1920s. . . The responses were GLORIOUS. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mydemand 2009-02-28 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	ooh, could you share a summary? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

heddychaa
2009-02-28 11:05 pm UTC (link)

It was a written assignment so. . .:

Positive: IIIIIIIII
Negative: IIIII
Lazy responses that didn't answer the question: I
On the fence: IIIII

Choice comments:

"If there were no other women fighting for their rights, they wouldn't have gotten them if there were just flappers"

"They showed that they weren't afraid of men's opinions. . . This showed that they were tired of being stuck at home and being treated like objects"

"The women of Canada were fighting for recognition and respect, but the behavior of the flappers would certainly not get them the respect they wanted"

"The easiest form of self-expression is physical appearance and I think the flappers did a wonderful job of expressing how they were equal to men"

"In the sense that the flappers represented independant women. At the time and even in some cases today women were 'used' by men as tools. The flappers used their sexualism to control men."

"damaging to the cause of women because it showed just how immature they can be well, as well as showing their lack of respect for peers and elders"

"They made it hard for figures like Agnes Macphail and Emily Murphy who fought for good causes to be taken seriously"

"the more important cause was for new job opportunieies in politics in other fields. . . I think it would be even more difficult to oercome a view of women as flappers than as housewives"

And then there was the girl who used this argument as a chance to go on a rant about lesbians and abortion damaging women's wombs. Er.

It was a good exercise, though, because if I used the "f" word, they all would have gotten a stick up their butts. This way they're engaging in the dialogue without the stigma.

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