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Full o' Doom ([info]doomsday) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-06-01 17:52:00


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The, you fucking shithead. The.
This is a short and sweet one-man show, but it packs quite a wallop.

David Mack, the author of several Star Trek novelizations and other assorted works, is displeased with the copyediting of his current book. According to him, the editor was much too heavy-handed, essentially rewriting his material. So he calmly informed his publisher and they sorted everything out in a manner that left all parties involved satisfied.

Oh wait, I mean he posted a threatening rant on his public journal. I always mix those two up!

Die, Stupid Copy Editor, Die!
31 May 2009 in Personal | No comments

Some stupid (and luckily for him/her, anonymous) copy editor apparently took it upon him/herself to almost completely rewrite the manuscript for my latest novel, Star Trek Vanguard: Precipice. I learned this when I was handed a stack of pages slathered in so much red ink that I thought it had been left at the scene of an ax murder.

This idiot copy editor is going to wind up wasting a week of my time, because that’s how long it’s going to take me to go through the novel page by page with an eraser, undoing the damage this motherfucker has wrought upon my prose.

Jackass copyeditor who did this, whoever you are, if you read this, don’t ever fucking touch one of my books again. And pray to whatever god you believe in that I never find out who you are or where you live.

Die, you fucking shithead. Die.

Shockingly, David received some private negative feedback about this post and deleted it. But don't worry—the one he replaced it with is longer, whinier, and just as entertaining.

Note to Would-Be Commenters
1 June 2009 in Personal

For those of you who might not yet have noticed, I moderate all comments here on my official blog. In practice, that means if you come in here looking for a fight, I can simply decide not to let your comments see the light of day.

To those of you who felt as if it were your right to go all high and mighty on me because I needed to vent after seeing what an overzealous copy editor did to my latest mauscript, spare me your indignation and your insults.

The ms. went to production with a cover sheet from my line editor that specifically requested a “light” copy edit with queries. My editor is the one who gave me the erasers to fix this mess.

What came back was a wholesale rewrite, including arbitrary changes of sentences, deletion of sentences and paragraphs, recasting of sentences, and a host of other intrusive changes that, in the world of professional publishing, are outside the purview of a copy editor. Those privileges are reserved for a book’s line editor (i.e., the editor who acquired the book and works directly with me).

I have been writing books professionally for 10 years. I know the difference between a proper, light copy edit and a heavy-handed writer wannabe who imagines he or she can write my book better than I can. I do not object to the many sensible notations that most copy editors make, or the myriad small errors they help me fix. I do, however, object when one of them takes it upon him/herself to second-guess my creative choices.

Contrary to popular belief, even in this modern digital age, much of the book publishing industry still operates on hard copy with handwritten notations. It’s an industry in which traditions die hard. That is why I have the original ms. on my dining-room table, marked up in red pencil; that is also why I have a pair of erasers that I am using to undo invasive and uncalled-for changes.

To the person who thought they were being impossibly clever by pointing out typos in my Twitter comment about this mess, it might behoove you to keep in mind that Twitter is an informal medium. Also, in Internet-gamer parlance, such typos — particularly “teh,” which was done deliberately — are often intentional and used to convey both intense feeling and humorous intent.

The reason I can’t simply write “STET” on the ms. is that, in my experience, doing so is rarely sufficient to prevent the unwanted edits from being carried forward by production. The only real insurance against the propagation of unwanted changes is literally to erase them from the ms.

Lastly, to all of you who deigned to lecture me that because I choose to use my personal forum to vent my rage rather than scream out my window and create a public disturbance that would bring the local constabulary to my door, and to all of you who therefore concluded that I must not be much of a writer, I would just like to point out that you are confusing two unrelated issues. The manner in which one vents in anger bears little relation to how one composes prose in a calm state of mind. To evaluate a writer’s oeuvre based on such an offering would be tantamount to judging all of Hemingway’s or Brautigan’s respective works based on their suicide notes.


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[info]kalakagatha
2009-06-02 02:26 am UTC (link)
Lastly, to all of you who deigned to lecture me that because I choose to use my personal forum to vent my rage rather than scream out my window and create a public disturbance that would bring the local constabulary to my door, and to all of you who therefore concluded that I must not be much of a writer, I would just like to point out that you are confusing two unrelated issues. The manner in which one vents in anger bears little relation to how one composes prose in a calm state of mind.

Perhaps. Says a hell of a lot about your lack of judgment, though.

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[info]nevadafighter
2009-06-02 02:26 am UTC (link)
I understand venting like that; I've done it before, usually when it comes to how hard Uncle Sam fucks me at tax time. And usually when you vent you use harsh words or curse like a sailor to vent your spleen. And, his second post explains a little better why he was so upset.

But his first post still managed to make him look like a whining, throwing-self-on-floor, kicking-and-screaming toddler who'd just been told he couldn't have chocolate pudding for dinner. If you are a professional, it generally helps to NOT present oneself in public like a small child who just pooped his pants.

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[info]white_tean
2009-06-02 02:48 am UTC (link)
It's one thing when you say the tax office fucked you up the ass without lubricant or buying you dinner first, and another thing when someone says "Die, you fucking shithead. Die." I mean, how can anyone actually type that out let alone post it because it's just such a ridiculous thing to say and is never not going to be a overwhelmingly overly sensitive response to someone who was just doing their job without rancor (at least, all evidence seems to indicate the copy editor didn't have a personal vendetta).

I also kind of wonder how someone would want to admit to getting work sent back with so much red on it it looks pink - even without his infantile whiny rant people would assume the whole fallacy of gray in which the truth lies between two points, and would figure anyway that his work was sub-par in some regions.

Anyway, special snowflakes make me ramble sorry...

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[info]sevendeadlyfun
2009-06-02 02:27 am UTC (link)
Wow. You know, this makes me wonder if all the BNF wankiness we see around here is just practice for when they go pro.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-06-02 07:23 am UTC (link)
All internet wank is just practice for wank in the real world -- it's just faster and more honest on the toobs.

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[info]_goblin_
2009-06-03 04:20 am UTC (link)
I like to think of it as learning how to not embarrass myself before I go pro.

Not that I was ever a BNF. Or badly wanky (I hope.)

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[info]white_tean
2009-06-02 02:35 am UTC (link)
Oh good, new and tasty snowflake wank.

Someone really has this much of a problem, after writing several books with the idea that his work may not be perfect on the first go?

I like point number one on his new rant musing:
"The ms. went to production with a cover sheet from my line editor that specifically requested a “light” copy edit with queries. My editor is the one who gave me the erasers to fix this mess."

Clearly, the hugbox is not as impenetrable as he'd have liked it to be.

Also, how are people allowed to say how many flaws they want to be found in their work?

Of course, I'm assuming these edits were with basis, because I can't see any true professionals getting their knickers in such a twist if the red marks were the ranting of a nutter, because you don't get angry if someone says the sky is orange because it's irrefutable not.

Snowflake wank; It dissolves into tastiness on the warmth of my tongue.

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[info]white_tean
2009-06-02 02:37 am UTC (link)
*irrefutably is what that was supposed to be... Sorry, I always type while tired and spell-check can't catch all my sleep deprived, under caffeinated stupid.

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(no subject) - [info]mooncalf, 2009-06-02 11:13 am UTC

[info]nevadafighter
2009-06-02 02:44 am UTC (link)
It makes me wonder what exactly some of the edits were that made him so crazed. It could go either way--either the editor took a lot of time and effort to rewrite passages and sentences that were overwrought and ill-formed, or this is a case of an editor deciding he'd like the book better if it went how s/he thought it should look.

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[info]rewind
2009-06-02 02:52 am UTC (link)
B-but he doesn't need to accept these edits, or he could read through the manuscript and see if these edits have merit, or-- Fuck it, I'm done trying to inject logic into this...

Why doesn't this guy have a copy of his manuscript on disk somewhere?

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(no subject) - [info]doomsday, 2009-06-02 02:57 am UTC
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[info]rosehiptea
2009-06-02 03:34 am UTC (link)
So far my main reaction is "How did I not know that Richard Brautigan committed suicide?"

*is apparently easily sidetracked*

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[info]muppetfromhell
2009-06-02 04:05 am UTC (link)
To steal from a different wank, Olive your subject line ;)

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In case you were wondering what it looks like...
[info]issendai
2009-06-02 04:29 am UTC (link)
*groan*

For the record, I've only copyedited technical writers and copywriters, and it usually goes like this:

Me: Here, have a page covered in red.

Them: Thanks. Here, have back a new version where we made the changes we liked.

Me: Here, have some fine-tuning.

Them: Here, have back a page that's completely fixed except for one typo that we inserted specially for this round.

Me: LOL typo. Here, have a nice perfect page.

Production: We took a crack at it. How's it look?

Me: Like you were on crack.

Production: How about now?

Me: Crack's wearing off.

Production: How about now?

Me: Almost poifect.

Production: Can we insert a typo?

Me: LOL typo. No.

Production: Aww.

Printer: We took a crack at it. How does it look?

[Choose one:]

-----

A.

Me: Lovely! Smack it on the ass and send it home to Mamma.

-----

B.

Me: AAAAUGH WTF HOW DID YOU ERASE ONLY THE CAPITAL I'S FROM ALL OF THE SUBHEADINGS

Production: LOL technical difficulties. How is it now?

Me: Peachy!

-----

...and at this point it vanishes into the ether, to arrive several months later as hardbound copies riddled with errors that several layers of editors, copyeditors, proofreaders, checkers, and production people totally missed. We are professionals, dammit, and we have industry-wide standards to uphold.

So yeah. Become a diva, pay asshole tax for as long as you can stay employed in the business. I gather it's different in fiction, but see... that's why I'm over here in technical writing with the sane people.

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Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]issendai, 2009-06-02 04:37 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]pandonkey, 2009-06-02 05:00 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]bobafeis, 2009-06-02 05:19 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]white_serpent, 2009-06-02 05:20 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]issendai, 2009-06-02 06:20 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]esorlehcar, 2009-06-02 07:05 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]kookaburra, 2009-06-02 09:59 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]white_tean, 2009-06-05 04:03 pm UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]damien, 2009-06-02 10:06 am UTC
Re: In case you were wondering what it looks like... - [info]oliphauntine, 2009-06-02 06:48 pm UTC

[info]bienegold
2009-06-02 04:47 am UTC (link)
"The, stupid copy editor, the!"

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[info]fevered_ego
2009-06-02 05:46 am UTC (link)
I thought it was the same David Mack who drew Kabuki and was very sad for a moment there.

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(no subject) - [info]mooncalf, 2009-06-02 11:15 am UTC

[info]sandglass
2009-06-02 05:48 am UTC (link)
To evaluate a writer’s oeuvre based on such an offering would be tantamount to judging all of Hemingway’s or Brautigan’s respective works based on their suicide notes.

Yes, that's precisely the same. Plus, Hemingway didn't leave a suicide note, and if he did I bet it'd have been awesome and representative of his work, and sources on the Internet that I don't quite trust say that Brautigan's suicide note was "Messy, isn't it" which makes me want to read his stuff.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-06-02 07:51 am UTC

[info]fools_game
2009-06-02 08:28 am UTC (link)
BAAAAWWWW.

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[info]serai
2009-06-02 09:28 am UTC (link)
Sounds like he landed a newbie editor, fresh out of college and thinking he/she knows better than all those lousy writers. (Not an uncommon occurence, or so I'm told by writer friends.) But jeez, it's one thing to be all PISSED GODDAMNIT!!! and another to fap away in public for everyone to read. At the very least, slap a pseudonym on that fucker.

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(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-06-03 01:36 pm UTC

[info]sheep
2009-06-02 09:48 am UTC (link)
Don't worry, David, I once got an English paper back from a teacher at school that was so covered with red ink, I thought the paper was blushing in embarrassment. I still got 80% though :D

(You fail, JF, for slathering my comment in red. Go die from robustness.)

Repost because I got my wanky Star Trek Authors mixed up. Sorry for the mailbox spam.

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[info]ajatshatru
2009-06-02 10:20 am UTC (link)
The title OMG the title :D

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[info]janegraddell
2009-06-02 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Looks like he deleted the second rant as well. :(

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[info]bitca
2009-06-02 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Bahleeted. Baawwwwww, I wanted to go read it! (the clarifying post is gone)

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Three things!
[info]tofuknight
2009-06-02 07:45 pm UTC (link)
1. Mauscript? Why is he writing about dictators, again?

2. Why did his editor have to give him erasers? Didn't he have his own? And seriously, wouldn't it make more sense to maybe just reprint the damned manuscript? With the sensible edits incorporated?

3. Something I haven't seen anyone suggest is that maybe this author is the kind of special little snowflake who sees one or two red marks and FLIPS THE FUCK OUT, and then screams on the internets about how his manuscript was BLEEDING from the MEEEEN copyeditor's EEEVIL pen. Given his BAAAWWWWW rant online and his condescending follow-up, I know that's what I'm thinking.

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Re: Three things! - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-06-03 04:33 pm UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]tofuknight, 2009-06-03 06:04 pm UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-06-04 01:57 am UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]_goblin_, 2009-06-03 11:50 pm UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-06-04 01:56 am UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]_goblin_, 2009-06-04 02:49 am UTC
Re: Three things! - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-06-04 02:50 am UTC
Re: Three things! - mockygogo, 2009-06-15 05:08 pm UTC

[info]ajatshatru
2009-06-03 02:18 am UTC (link)
Did his editor give him a net-post eraser too ? He keeps deleting his posts *Worried*

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[info]mercutia
2009-06-04 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I've just had exactly the kind of day that makes me sympathize with him intensely, frankly.

*towels splooge off; heads out for dinner*

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