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sandglass
2009-08-03 10:26 pm UTC (link)

Dieting doesn't work in the long term and in fact probably makes people weigh more. I'm in control of my behaviors and I will own my behaviors being imperfect, but "controlling my body" would require starvation and overexercising. No, fuck you, there's no reason to get skinny other than to meet society's sick beauty ideals.

Someone get me a towel, but I cannot stand this stupid fatphobic misinformation.

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ecchaniz0r
2009-08-03 10:45 pm UTC (link)

I know someone who has permanently dicked up her metabolism on account of following traditional dieting guidelines. Her body basically went "FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUCK IT'S FAMINE WE'RE GONNA DIE" and everything slowed down to 'the pace of a lazily-oozing snail' as she put it.

There ARE ways to tweak your metabolism some. But even those are not going to automagicallally!!!!!!11! make someone become society's ideal stick-figure. And you know, if they don't, that doesn't mean you have failed at a DAMN thing. it means your metabolism has decided it's going to do THIS right now and all you can do is roll with it.

Unlike the interpiep dietary expurtz who think they know oh-so-much about how much everyone else needs to exercise (why the fuck does MORAL JUDGMENT always get brought into discussions of weight, jesus fucking christ - fat!=immoral, lazy and slovenly, you douchewaxing failures), I? Have had contact with dieticians. Practicing ones. In hospitals. You know, PROFESSIONALS, and not desk surfing dilettantes? And while I'm a little fucking twig with malabsorption and hypermetabolic issues, what I learned from them applies universally: you can only argue with biology to a certain extent. I cannot 'make myself' take in fat soluble vitamins or salt properly via ~let's positive thinking!~* any more than someone whose metabolism is slow can just reach up into their brain and do a little ringy-tingy to make theirs 'normal'.

...here, I brought nice soft beach towels because I knew I'd need one too. D:

(*If one, just ONE MORE idiot who thinks The Secret is a cure-all tells me that my genetic disorders would piffle away like the morning dew if I just THINK MORE POSITIVE, I will kick them.)

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Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but...

sandglass
2009-08-03 10:56 pm UTC (link)

No shit. I can control what I eat, but controlling how my body responds to it? No. We don't actually have control of our bodies, I might get lucky and have my body start consuming fat to make up the lost calories, but it might also kill my immune system, my energy levels, my metabolism, start consuming muscle to depress my need for calories, or make me into an insufferable grump.

And when I exercise on lines with diets (hour daily at a moderate pace), my hunger levels about triple. Pretty hard to lose weight when you start shaking if you don't get at least 3500 calories a day.

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sneer
2009-08-03 11:35 pm UTC (link)

God, no kidding.

I know almost exactly how many calories it took to keep me at 135 pounds when I was 22: 850 a day plus five days a week at the gym.

I know this because I got put on the "weight management" program in the military, for being one pound over the max. This meant I had to write down everything I ate and every second I exercised and hand it in once a week.

That's a little over half of what's recommended for a sedentary 160-pound person.

So, um, yeah, anyone who thinks "oh, well, you're in control of your body and if you're overweight you're just not trying hard enough to lose it!" can kiss my chunky ass.

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... lyppy 2009-08-06 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	Wait--seriously? 136 was too heavy? What kind of logic is that? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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sneer
2009-08-06 07:21 pm UTC (link)

It was actually 138 for my height IIRC and give or take a pound, but I'd just wanted to be absolutely damn sure I wouldn't flunk another weighin once I got off the actual program and on probation.

Another fun fact: they measured BMI by measuring hips/waist/neck/maybe something else I don't remember, which is what, the second least accurate way to do it next to straight-up height/weight? And you had to wear baggy shorts or pants and a loose shirt, and they would not allow for the extra inch or so the baggy shit might have added.

The military is almost as bad as the fashion industry about this shit, seriously, or at least it was when I was there. >_<

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... sneer 2009-08-06 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	...actually, I have to take that last part back--they seem to have gotten better about this now that I check. Sort of. Someone still needs to slap the Air Force upside the head--they want a BMI under 25% and don't seem to distinguish between males and females for that. For them at least, my >_< stands. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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zaliesiren
2009-08-04 01:58 am UTC (link)

This reminds me of a girl I knew who kept whining about her weight (and she was on the morbidly obese side) and claim genetics and then go down an entire pizza, a pint of Ben and Jerry's, and a two liter of coke.

Yeah sure, you can eat what you like, but if you do that and then whine about being overweight? I am, in fact, going to roll my eyes - and then move on with my life.

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... sandglass 2009-08-04 02:10 am UTC (link)
	One person!=all fat people. One person's actions around you!=how they always behave. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... zaliesiren 2009-08-04 02:12 am UTC (link)
	Okay! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... sorchar 2009-08-04 03:24 am UTC (link)
	You're an ass and you have no idea what you're talking about. Until you've monitored the diet and lifestyle of every fat person ever for a good length of time, shut the hell up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... puipui 2009-08-04 02:35 am UTC (link)
	And you remind me of all those judgemental fatphobic assholes who say pretty much this exact same thing every single time anyone mentions even tangentially that being heavy may not always be completely dependent on behavior nor completely unhealthy. Perhaps it's because you are one of them! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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silrana
2009-08-04 12:25 pm UTC (link)

I don't think saying that someone who eats a very large amount of high calorie food then complains about not being able to loose weight is ignoring their own contribution to the situation is being an asshole.

I have to take a big handful of pills every morning, and one of them causes my body to fight losing weight tooth and nail. My doctor hates having to give it to me, since I'm about eighty pounds overweight, but the other medicines in that same classification make you *gain* weight, so that's the best he can do.

So do I throw up my hands and declare it impossible? No, I've just been trying to make small changes. My salt cravings won't let me pass up potato chips, but I *can* pass up the dip. I can walk up stairs instead of taking the elevator one floor at work. I can have broiled chicken instead of barbecue. And I've been losing about, oh, a pound a month. But that's good enough, because slow changes will work a lot better in the long run than diets, which have never worked in the past. I just spend the whole diet fantasizing about the foods I can't eat and then go nuts after I get off of it. I think a lot of the problem with the issue is that when people say, "I can't lose weight," they mean they can't lose weight fast. I used to have that mindset, too.

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... puipui 2009-08-04 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you for sharing. Also, "lose" has one 'O'. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... sandglass 2009-08-04 03:59 am UTC (link)
	Also, did you miss that's how much I eat when I exercise because if I don't, I get sick? Unless you think that I should be shaking and ill to not be a whiny fatty. Sometimes when fat people eat, it's actually because our bodies need fuel, fancy that! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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zaliesiren
2009-08-04 04:29 am UTC (link)

Actually with her I'm not really concerned with the amount so much as *what* she's eating and I apologize for not being clearer there - it really is scary to watch. Me? I've been known to down that much in the past and I went KABOOM up the scale. Nowadays my amount hasn't really decreased but what I put into my body has changed, if that makes sense? I lost a shitton of weight. My energy is about the same, because there's nothing I can do about that. It upsets me that the same girl who will scarf down an entire thing of strawberry icecream turns up her nose at a bowl of actual strawberries. I hope that makes more sense. I know she's an isolated incident, but it's painful to watch.

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	Re: Might get some negative feedback on this, but... sisterelwood 2009-08-04 06:02 am UTC (link)
	. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2009-08-04 02:41 pm UTC (link)
	I think her real problem is that she hangs out with jerks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ashenmote 2009-08-04 08:46 pm UTC (link)
	♥ (Reply to this)(Parent)

wrongly_amused
2009-08-03 11:14 pm UTC (link)

Woah, woah, I didn't mean to imply that model thin is the ideal. I've been heavy before, and I'm certainly not stick-thin now. I certainly believe that people's personal weight preference is their own business.

Considering the original post was not using "fat" negatively, Marie's reaction read to me that she was uncomfortable with what she looked like. This may well have been my misinterpretation, and I take responsibility for how I came across, which, in retrospect, is a little obnoxious. I'll just kindly bow out now, since I dug this grave.

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	sneer 2009-08-03 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	Bye. Please do take your weak-ass "oh, sorry you were offended" non-apology with you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sandglass 2009-08-03 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	You don't have to diet to model thin to make yourself unhealthy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

evilsqueakers
2009-08-06 08:37 am UTC (link)

My 76-year-old currently snoring beside me godmother has a major eating problem and she's not thin. She's probably about 180 lbs and I'd say a good 160 of it was pure muscle or boobs. She was a ballroom dancer for years and is practically all muscle between that and owning a Dairy Queen for 13 years. But because her doctor says "you should be at 135 lbs" she starves herself. She'll eat two pieces of toast at breakfast and a pack of peanut butter crackers and popcorn the rest of the day. She's on something like 20 med pills a day and a Type 2 diabetic. She's starving herself and asking for help from her doctors (obviously) and the ER when she broke her nose falling last October didn't result in any help. One of the doctors at the GP practice told her that "we need to do something about this obesity" without even looking at her...just reading the chart. And didn't refill her necessary meds (like Luvox or blood pressure) for 3 months. So she was about a week from being dead with her stockpiled blood pressure meds running out a couple weeks before.

So no, it's not always a model thin thing. Sometimes it's perpetuated from the medical field itself.

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	sandglass 2009-08-06 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	If you want to feel sick, there's a blog full of those kinds of stories. It updates pretty much daily. The fat-hate in the medical community is pervasive and inhumane. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

evilsqueakers
2009-08-09 02:01 am UTC (link)

Jesus fuck and Mary Magdalena on wheatie toast. That's. Man. I know my diabetic doc keeps telling I should lose weight but the problem is that my insulin amount exhausts me. I can't work up the energy or make a goal worthless because of how bad I feel. I kind of want to smack the medical community and remind them that it's a two-prong (or multiple) problem that needs to addressed. The first being a medicine that will help energize me and the second one that will help control my really LOW blood sugars after. Oh, wait. What am I talking about? It was my fault for eating as required and gaining weight back from a size 8 to 16. I should know better.

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