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Tiara [my demand] ([info]mydemand) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-08-03 19:06:00


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Entry tags:otf_wank's thoughts on weight, stop sharing your thoughts

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME FAT
Mars from Chicken Dinner Candybar does her regular Fat Love Friday and includes Marie from Agent Lover.

Marie is put off by her inclusion on a "fat" list and tells Mars so.

Mars offers to take it down. Marie refuses. Instead, she proclaims on her blog, "oh haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaale no!

Chaos ensues in the comments about fatphobia, body acceptance, fashion sense (or the lack thereof), and kissing-up commentors.

Is Marie brave or is she overreacting?

(I'm in the comments and I know Natalie [the 'overreacting' link], so I am slightly involved in the wank aftermath. It's pretty obvious which side i'm on.)



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[info]kaesa
2009-08-04 06:46 am UTC (link)
Oh man, so much yes on the heavy lifting. (My other PE class that year was weightlifting, where I was the only girl in the class and realized a lot of the guys in the gym were apparently training specifically to gain hyoooge visible muscles but little to no strength. So that was weird to watch.) I'm actually on the planning stages of a superhero story where one of the main characters is a broad broad with superstrength, and she gets a lot of obnoxious media commentary about her body rather than what she actually does with it.

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[info]quartz
2009-08-04 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Hee, weightlifting was fun. The guys in it, not so much, but the actual activity is something I miss a lot.

Oh, that's a good starting point for a superhero story. *is very interested* Will it be more along the lines of a novel/short story than an episodic comic book?

You are quite awesome. May I friend you?

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[info]kaesa
2009-08-04 07:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm not really sure right now; it seems to want to be episodic, or maybe just with long stories and short stories set in the same universe. Originally it was going to be a webcomic, but update schedules and I never get along. (I should warn you she's not the main heroine -- she starts out as the mentor/hopeless crush/bff, and then for a while embraces the role of the villain for what she thinks are the right reasons. So yeah, another fat villain, but you don't see a lot of women in fiction who are short, fat, and dangerous to piss off.)

Sure, although I have not posted in a millionty years, and will be starting some really intensive classes soonish. So I will be boring or nonexistent, depending.

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[info]quartz
2009-08-04 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

The only villian I can even think of who comes close to that description is the Emerald Empress (Cera Kesh) from the Legionnaires and she never quite got to the truly evil stage (she was considered redeemable through acceptance and destroying the Eye(s)) before being rebooted out of existance. *shakes angry fist at DC*

Miss Kyle from PS238 (the webcomic) is the only other possible example and she's good and not all that dangerous it seems. Oh, what I wouldn't give for a good female villain like Ysanne Isard from the Star Wars EU. Now she had none of the "She's just a good girl who got hurt, a little love will redeem her" that most other female villains written in comics today seem to have hanging over their heads. *shakes fist at DC and Marvel this time*

And now I may have to neglect work so I can daydream about the Ultimate Good (Susan Ivanova) versus the Ultimate Evil (Ysanne Isard) in a fight to control the known universe.

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[info]kaesa
2009-08-04 10:30 pm UTC (link)
I am sadly reminded of all the things I have yet to read, because I am only slightly familiar with the people you've mentioned. (For one thing, I got into superheroes ass-backwards, through webcomics and feminist blogs.) They are on my lists, though.

Mine is kind of this odd cross between Helen Narbon and Klaus Wulfenbach, but she's based on my (not evil) version of Helga Hufflepuff, who is similarly cheerful-but-scary.

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[info]quartz
2009-08-05 03:02 am UTC (link)
*whimpers* I have real paid work I have to be doing, but now I'm distracted by Narbonic and have a craving to go reread all of Girl Genius for the umpteenth time. Must... resist!

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[info]kaesa
2009-08-05 03:29 am UTC (link)
Erk. Sorry about that. At least I didn't link you to TV Tropes?

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[info]quartz
2009-08-05 03:37 am UTC (link)
TV Tropes is resistable. Webcomics are not, especially ones with the Disturbing Palindrome Song of the Mutant Gerbils. *has been sucked into Narbonic*

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[info]kaesa
2009-08-05 03:47 am UTC (link)
If you've gotten that far, there's no hope for you. I would offer more suggestions, but that would be Wrong of me.

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[info]frau_eva
2009-08-05 05:39 am UTC (link)
YES YES WRITE THIS STORY I WILL BE YOUR FIRST FAN. :O I had a similar idea for a graphic novel, and holy crap, we need more people understanding what it's like to be a woman with real physical strength.

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[info]kaesa
2009-08-05 06:56 am UTC (link)
You should do yours too, as all I have written so far -- that I'm happy with, at least -- is the (not very superheroic, and only vaguely cyberpunk) story about what the main main character used to do with her Barbies. (I should post it, though, because it is called "She-Barbarians of the 21st Century," and I'm very fond of it.) Other than that I have been faffing around with drawing them, and trying to worldbuild.

(Main main character is, and I DID NOT EVEN MEAN TO DO THIS, a bisexual English major girl gamer. So I guess she's implausible anyway, and no one will ever read it long enough to find that her BFF is, despite being short and fat and female, strong and ruthless and mean.)

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