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Biz ([info]bizzle) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-08-13 07:49:00


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But what are your thoughts on homosex?
Sci-fi writer John C. Wright does not approve of the Sci-Fi channel's apparent pandering to the "homosex" crowd.

The head of Sci-Fi channel has contritely promised to include more homosex in future shows, and to do it nonchalantly, just as if this abomination is normal and natural and worthy of no comment. The shows will not actually come out and say sexual perversion has no bad side effects. They won't actually lie and tell you homosex won't destroy your life. But they will imply the lie. They will play along.

Homosex. It's almost kind of catchy!

I'd like someone, anyone, to explain to me how my culture reached a position where a public entertainment company can be criticized for failing to contribute to the moral decay of the land, and that the criticism would be taken seriously, and the company would cringe and promise to do better.

Someone explain to me by what series of events persons with serious sexual-psychological malfunctions would somehow be awarded the status of moral arbiters, something like priests and confessors and sages -- except that the passkey to being a guardian of public conscience in our age is the absence of moral value, not the presence.


Explain they do. As soon as the post is referenced in a MetaQuote, the dissenters are off to reply to Mr. Wright. The initial reaction is small, but promising. Most responses are rational and non-inflammatory. Others are quite succinct and curt. A number of users coming in presumably through MetaQuotes announce Mr. Wright's loss of a potential customer, as long as Mr. Wright does indeed use their filthy, filthy Leftist dollars.

Come, my liberal leftist comrades! You openly boast of your superior intellectual power and more profound moral sobriety than we mere working Joes of flyover country (including working Joes like me with a doctorate in law who works in DC). You have anointed yourselves our superiors: that means you are smart enough to explain it. By what logic is the sole and single standard of virtue in your world view an absolute devotion to vice? By what logic is the sole and single sin the sin of having standards of virtue, what you call being intolerant?

'dem sure be fancy words.



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[info]solle
2009-08-13 09:53 pm UTC (link)
This link is always relevant. (And also VERY NWS.)

http://www.heroichomosex.org/

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[info]miraba
2009-08-14 12:45 am UTC (link)
It's been *years* since I've been there.

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[info]fern_on_fen
2009-08-14 01:58 am UTC (link)
Ah, the "We're not Gay, we just RUB OUR COCKS TOGETHER," website.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-08-13 11:47 pm UTC (link)
I wonder if this guy realizes that homosexuality HAS actually been removed from the DSM because the psychological and psychiatric communities found homosexuality to *gasp* not be a psychological disorder. Yeah, probably too much to hope for.

Also? Way to bring the unfunny to [info]otf_wank. A+ JOB THERE, TIGER!

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(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-08-14 03:54 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ladyvyola, 2009-08-14 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-08-15 08:04 pm UTC
OT - [info]gairid, 2009-08-16 12:35 am UTC

[info]brennalarose
2009-08-14 01:09 am UTC (link)
Okay, nevermind Paul Guyot, who the fuck is John C Wright?

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(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2009-08-14 04:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-08-14 04:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-15 03:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2009-08-15 06:58 am UTC

[info]galletas
2009-08-14 01:19 am UTC (link)
He's locked the entry for no comments and added this:

COMMENT ADDED LATER: Flash Crowd! Troll Avalanche! The responses to this post are 800 and climbing at the time of this writing, and because I cannot answer each letter personally, I would like to give a general response. This falls into four categories:

(1) Irrelevant. To those of you who made irrelevant comments, allow me to note that a true but irrelevant comment has nothing to do with the topic, and therefore has no probative value.

Those whose arguments were irrelevant only because you are addressing a point you thought I made but did not (such as those of you who thought I was making a religious argument, or that I argued only sex in service of procreation was licit) it is possible that I was insufficiently clear. In such cases, the fault is mine, and I can make amends by setting out my position in order when time permits.

To those who made both irrelevant and emotional comments, I point out that this is counterproductive. A display of emotion on your part will not persuade me, or any honest man, to revisit his conclusions. Myself, I do not know anyone older than a small child who changes his mind merely because some loudmouth shouts loudly at him. In this case, you are not even in a position to shout at me, merely to type in all caps. I assume you did not reach your current conclusions because you were startled into them by a loud noise. Why do you assume any different for me?

(2) Relevant, but unanswered. To the one or two who actually addressed the topic, you have my thanks and my congratulations. You rose above your shabby intellectual surroundings. Unfortunately the sheer number of other responses has drowned out your measured responses, so if I have not answered, please assume I would like to and have not the time. You may return here at some later date, after the flash crowd has lost interest, and we can have a robust exchange of views.

Now, if I were Nancy Pelosi, I would accuse you all of being 'astroturf' and say that the insurance company hired you to come interrupt my town meeting here. I make no such accusation (though perhaps I could: I do note that a similar flash crowd showed up on my wife's low-traffic live journal to browbeat her for her political incorrectness. She was accused of being a racist on the grounds that she was opposed to racism: the logic of that escaped me as well). The general tone of the argument was the same. Nonetheless, I assume most of you followed a link from SFSignal, where a busy little busybody has engaged in a holy crusade against me, because, egad, I do not bow to the idol he worships: the child-eating Moloch of political correctness. This craven has not seen fit to address me personally, for reasons not hard to guess.

(3) Notifications of Boycott. To the one or two readers who promised never to buy my books because I came to certain conclusions in logic you do not share, allow me to point out that most of my books were written before my conversion to Christianity, and at least one was written before my disillusionment with the Sexual Liberation Movement. So, for those of you who buy books for the sake of ideological purity rather than for entertainment value, I suggest you discover which is which, and plan your purchases accordingly.

Naturally, I regret the loss of business, but keep in mind that you came here to read my opinions, I did not smuggle those opinions out to you disguised as books, like, say, Philip Pullman does, nor did I intrude them in a forum where they were not asked-for. Someone in that forum tried to stir up a mob against me, put, unlike a real mob, I can simply lock out an electronic mob, so anyone coming here for anything other than a rational conversation is wasting his time, but not mine.

(4) Yammerheads using this opportunity to express hatred and contempt for the Christ and His Church. You I must thank. If I do not reply, assume it is because I am turning the other cheek. The curses of idolaters are a blessing to the faithful. I will pray for you.

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(no subject) - [info]galletas, 2009-08-14 01:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-08-14 01:23 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-08-14 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 04:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-08-14 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2009-08-14 05:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 05:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-08-14 10:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 02:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyvyola, 2009-08-14 02:53 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]veleda_k, 2009-08-14 03:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-14 03:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]becktionary, 2009-08-19 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2009-08-14 04:20 pm UTC
fixed that for him - [info]ari_o, 2009-08-14 08:05 pm UTC
Re: fixed that for him - [info]_goblin_, 2009-08-14 08:23 pm UTC
Re: fixed that for him - [info]ari_o, 2009-08-14 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-08-14 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-08-15 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2009-08-17 07:47 am UTC

[info]kamiki_seto
2009-08-14 01:24 am UTC (link)
If more homosex on Syfy means more Colin Ferguson with his clothes off, I'M ALL FOR IT. Toss in Ed Quinn, too.

Some nice commentary at afterelton.com about Colin Ferguson nekkid on Syfy...
http://www.afterelton.com/blog/edkennedy/eureka-has-the-hottest-nerds

Hey, Colin's currently filming one of those cheesy Syfy Saturday night movies in Bulgaria - 'Lake Placid 3' as I understand it. Hopefully, we'll see him heroically fighting alligators. Naked.

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(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2009-08-14 04:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sithwitch13, 2009-08-14 02:52 pm UTC
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[info]twoiskewl
2009-08-14 01:36 am UTC (link)
I love how he justifies homosexuality as 'irrational' because it doesn't create children and thus has no evolutionary purpose. Except that TOTALLY DOES, because when one of those straight couples producing all those kids on the Savannah got killed by lions and dirty water, who had formed the kind of structurally stable adult relationships but had no kids yet and could adopt those orphans? The homosex.

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(no subject) - [info]madelfdisease, 2009-08-14 04:32 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]_goblin_, 2009-08-14 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]erototoxin, 2009-08-14 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-08-15 12:37 am UTC

[info]esther_a
2009-08-14 03:11 am UTC (link)
And he's locked down the comments.

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I boggle.
[info]esther_a
2009-08-14 03:19 am UTC (link)
In his latest post:
Even though we are on opposite sides, I assure you that the real division in the world is not between Right and Left, not between Homophobes and Pervertarians, but between men of reason and good will, we men of the mind, and our mutual foes, the men of unreason, the men of mere emotion.

I don't even know where to start.

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Re: I boggle. - [info]arionhunter, 2009-08-14 03:24 am UTC
I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]persona, 2009-08-14 03:38 am UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-08-14 03:53 am UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]xturtle, 2009-08-14 05:08 am UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-14 03:57 pm UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]tehrin, 2009-08-15 07:01 am UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]bigbigtruck, 2009-08-14 04:15 pm UTC
Re: I'm fixating on this so I don't fixate on the rest. - [info]xturtle, 2009-08-16 01:02 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]deliciouschaos, 2009-08-14 03:43 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-14 03:57 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-08-14 04:16 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]esorlehcar, 2009-08-14 04:27 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]dez_chan, 2009-08-14 04:33 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]_goblin_, 2009-08-14 05:24 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]tehrin, 2009-08-14 07:18 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]deadwood, 2009-08-14 07:18 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]fern_on_fen, 2009-08-14 08:35 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]rimrunner, 2009-08-15 08:56 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]poisonyoulove, 2009-08-14 08:43 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]arionhunter, 2009-08-14 10:34 am UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]tachikoma01, 2009-08-15 03:24 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]seiberwing, 2009-08-14 01:34 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-14 04:01 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]dez_chan, 2009-08-14 05:30 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-15 02:50 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]dez_chan, 2009-08-15 05:55 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-15 10:00 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]ardath_rekha, 2009-08-14 07:15 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]sequinedlizard, 2009-08-14 08:49 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-08-14 11:50 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]sequinedlizard, 2009-08-16 02:35 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]tachikoma01, 2009-08-15 03:20 pm UTC
Re: I boggle. - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2009-08-15 08:17 pm UTC
Ok so I was bored...and this was waaaaaaaaay too amusing not to. - [info]hyeri, 2009-08-16 11:42 pm UTC

[info]sithwitch13
2009-08-14 04:05 am UTC (link)
I should have known this would end up on a wank comm. I'm in there somewhere, barking off my two cents on why he's a fuckwit.

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[info]copperbadge
2009-08-14 04:39 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure a comment I left him a few hours ago is what tripped him into locking down the post, and that I'm the "craven" he mentions in his latest screed:

http://johncwright.livejournal.com/272446.html

I may have mentioned telling my relatively large readership about him. For the record I didn't tell them to troll him.

Sorry I spoiled the fun, guys. :(

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(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-08-14 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]copperbadge, 2009-08-14 04:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fools_game, 2009-08-14 08:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-08-14 02:41 pm UTC
NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY!
[info]goblin
2009-08-14 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Apparently 10 people have friended John C Wright's journal since his wacko diatribe was revealed to the internet at large. That's the unfunniest thing yet.

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Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]cygnia, 2009-08-14 03:14 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 03:35 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]_goblin_, 2009-08-14 05:49 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]erototoxin, 2009-08-14 08:09 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 10:37 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - mockygogo, 2009-08-15 06:31 pm UTC
Re: NOO HE IS SPREADING THE VIRUS OF CRAZY! - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-08-15 08:18 pm UTC

[info]arionhunter
2009-08-14 02:57 pm UTC (link)
Update time! And it's drinking game ready! A sip for thesaurus abuse, two sips for indignant dog whistles, and a chug for indignant-declarations-of-offense-as-paragraph-closer.

Now, for some insights!

"Those of you who argued that sex with a sterile woman is the same as homosexual acts: this is both irrelevant and false. You are conflating the sex act with mere stimulation of the sexual organs."

Translation: ...you know what, fuck it. I really cannot make heads or tails of this.

"To the guy who asked whether I had proofread my screed before posting it. Answer: of course not. It was something I tossed off in a moment of professional irritation that my science fiction fellows were being hounded by professional agitators -- much as I am being now, except in my case, you are amateurs."

Translation: Being a Published Author absolves me of responsibility.

To the guy who said it was cowardice of me to cut off the troll avalanche. I am sorry, but I cannot take such a comment seriously. To what do you appeal? My sense of courtesy and fair play? My devotion to philosophical truth? My integrity? None of those qualities require me to welcome mere juvenile noise, and treat it with dignity. It was the fools trying to win a shouting match with me who prevented the serious and sincere comments from winning a debate.

Translation: It's All Your Fault!

Also, he provides some useful clarification. When he's asking about incest, he really wants to know,

"If the incest is consensual, between adults, and sterile (so that there are no birth defects) on what ground can it be called illicit while homosexuality is called licit?"

I WONDER.

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(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-08-14 02:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]erototoxin, 2009-08-14 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2009-08-14 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - tree, 2009-08-17 11:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]istaerlus, 2009-08-14 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]delarina, 2009-08-16 08:31 am UTC
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(no subject) - redwarrior, 2009-08-21 10:34 pm UTC

[info]waltraute
2009-08-14 05:55 pm UTC (link)
There's more, now.

I am perpetually amused by his "I am a Man of Reason" stance, as I've seen him flip into full-on angry ad hominem porcupine when cornered, instead of being the Gracious Gentleman he fancies himself to be.

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(no subject) - [info]istaerlus, 2009-08-14 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-08-15 05:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2009-08-16 02:00 am UTC

[info]ardath_rekha
2009-08-14 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Entry no longer exists... did anybody get screencaps?

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(no subject) - [info]goblin, 2009-08-14 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2009-08-15 05:27 am UTC
It's almost kind of catchy!
[info]phosfate
2009-08-14 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Homosex
Homosex
A man of virtue always eschews homosex

Oh he might think about it
Really quite an awf'ly lot
But he'll never never do it
'Cause he knows the tale of Lot

Ohhhhhhh
Homosex
Homosex
A man of morals won't consider homosex

Tho' he likes to talk about it
More than many people do
His conscience won't allow it
He's to smart for that -- aren't you?

Homosex
Homosex
An educated man knows that it's wronnnnnnnnng

He'll consider all the ways
A man might love his mother
Or his sister or his horsey
Or his cat -- but NOT his brother, 'cause that's

Homosex
Homosex
It's okay to talk about it
It's okay to write about it
It's okay to think and think and think and think and think about it
Just so you never doubt it
You must live your life without it

For
Homosex
Homosex
Homosex
Homosex
Is nnnnnnot for youuuuuuuuuuuuu!

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Re: It's almost kind of catchy! - [info]particle_person, 2009-08-15 04:00 am UTC
Re: It's almost kind of catchy! - mockygogo, 2009-08-15 06:36 pm UTC
Re: It's almost kind of catchy! - [info]phosfate, 2009-08-15 06:42 pm UTC
Re: It's almost kind of catchy! - [info]deadwood, 2009-08-16 01:22 pm UTC
Re: It's almost kind of catchy! - [info]phosfate, 2009-08-17 04:37 am UTC

[info]istaerlus
2009-08-14 11:45 pm UTC (link)
He insists he's a man of reason and yet he locked commenting on his post, teal deered about being an internet martyr, and resorts to name calling such as yammerhead, trolls and all the lovely things he's called homosexuals so far.

Reason, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-08-15 01:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-08-15 08:20 pm UTC

[info]serai
2009-08-15 05:23 am UTC (link)
Someone explain to me by what series of events persons with serious sexual-psychological malfunctions would somehow be awarded the status of moral arbiters, something like priests and confessors and sages

Please tell me someone else noticed the irony there.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-08-17 04:55 am UTC

[info]funwithrage
2009-08-15 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, Orphans of Chaos is at my local library.

I read it at some point. Was both icked out and bored.

Perhaps it's time to check it out again. I haven't done a full-court-press crapfic mocking in a little while.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-15 02:51 pm UTC

mockygogo
2009-08-15 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I think I found the perfect artist for him should he ever jump on the "turn my book into a graphic novel" bandwagon:

Dave Sim.

Get those two in a room together, add popcorn and vodka and a videocamera, and stir!

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2009-08-15 11:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - mockygogo, 2009-08-20 08:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2009-08-16 02:24 am UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2009-08-21 10:30 pm UTC

[info]sadisticferret
2009-08-16 11:03 pm UTC (link)
When will I learn that reading [info]otf_wank never ends well? Christ, where are my fucking painkillers when I need them?

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[info]shivi
2009-08-17 09:01 am UTC (link)
There was one commenter whose feelings I actually hurt. His mother is a homosexual, and he was rightfully offended at the language I used to describe homosexuality. [...] I thought this one guy was sincere, and that most of the rest of you were engaged in rhetoric.
To him, wherever he is, I am sorry.
from here

Hey guys, it's totally cool now! He apologized to ONE person and everyone else was just faking outrage, you know, for funsies.

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and now...
[info]phosfate
2009-08-17 04:16 pm UTC (link)
http://cnx.com/johncwrightisahomophobicdick.html

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Re: and now... - [info]mael, 2009-08-17 07:03 pm UTC
Re: and now... - tree, 2009-08-17 11:30 pm UTC

redwarrior
2009-08-21 10:32 pm UTC (link)
I think my brain just exploded.

He's everything that he claims he hates.

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