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elfwreck ([info]elfwreck) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-12-03 19:36:00


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Ebook drama!
This is *fascinating*. Really. I never get to see real ebook drama; it's usually "oh, I could never give up the smell of real books!" vs "umm, 300 books in my pocket, yay!" And then there's some mumblings on both sides, and they both move on and read books on whatever media tweaks their kinks. But not this time!

I bring you... Alan Kaufman vs Mobileread!

Who, you might ask, is Alan Kaufman? I don't know! Apparently, he's written some books. And he blogs about writerly things. And a little over a month ago, he wrote The Electronic Book Burning, in which he compares ebooks to Nazis:
The book is fast becoming the despised Jew of our culture. Der Jude is now Der Book. Hi-tech propogandists tell us that the book is a tree-murdering, space-devouring, inferior form of technology; that society would simply be better-off altogether if we euthanized it even as we begin to carry around, like good little Aryans, whole libraries in our pockets, downloaded on the Uber-Kindle.
Serious Godwin points for that. In an opening salvo, even. (It's okay, folks, he's Jewish, and that makes it okay for him to compare technological advances to the Holocaust. Erm.)

What's Mobileread? A website devoted to ebooks, ebook sources, ebook devices, and people who read ebooks. It's big. And active.

Mobileread, with its membership of 50,000 ebook aficionados, who range from copyfight fanatics to language purists to casual Kindle readers, are interested in *anything* about ebooks. And ebook author Steve Jordan posted a discussion thread: Kaufman links e-book trend to bookburning, Nazis.

Of the 19 pages of comments, 10 are from the last few days, because Kaufman had to return to a thread that had been moribund for almost a month to post A Statement From Alan Kaufman, author of 'THE ELECTRONIC BOOKBURNING' To My Mobile Read Critics. He makes sure to link back to his original rant essay, in case any of us were incapable of clicking back to the beginning of the thread.)

He has some new things to say!
But this is not a Gutenberg moment: it is a Nuremberg moment--a linguistic and cultural mass murder of the human mind; an economic Krystallnacht against the book, book culture, literacy and human freedom. We are witness to the ghettoization and deportation of our language and literature to the internet,where it will surely perish.
Pixel-stained technopeasant Nazi wretches. Widespread distribution of literature=bookburning! Mobileread promptly hands him the pieces of his ass from several directions. But he can't leave it at that. And, of course, since he has no actual *point* to make, he can't reply to the questions (like, where did you get that claim that America is 25% illiterate?) or issues raised--so he makes yet *another* bloggish post in the middle of a long, long thread: A Further Response To His Mobile Read Critics.
For you are merch-juggled children breastfed on marketing strategies hatched before you were born and are so fully inculcated with h-tech propoganda that it is safe to say that with few exceptions virtually your entire generation haven't the capacity to interrogate your own experience vis a vis the addictive, soul-numbing machines that have become mocking substitutes for your human experience.
My, check out the big brain on Brad Alan! And in case you thought his brain was the only thing big about him:
So, I'd like to extend the following invite to any on this site. Lets thumbwrestle for three shirtless private rounds in an alley of my choice, and see who's left victorious: my 6'2”, 200 pound, tattooed, 57 year old military veteran Bronx-born poetry writing streetfighting ass or your nerdy and ignorant Silicon Folly digitized selves.
That's right: you ebook geeks are so pathetic, I can beat you up! (At thumbwrestling. Wouldn't want anyone to accuse me of threatening real assault.) But he is capable of actually replying to a person: Dear FlorenceArt,
Yours is actually the sole reply from among 230 postings here that resonates with me (I have read each and every one: a private survey of e-book readers, to unearth signs of intelligent life: yours is the only evidence that I've so far found).
Because insisting that several dozen replies full of insightful discussion points (and a handful of minor wankish digressions) contain no signs of intelligent is a *sure* way to convince people that you're right!



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[info]phosfate
2009-12-04 04:54 am UTC (link)
Diet Ellison -- All the rage, but only five percent of the content!

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[info]hallidae
2009-12-04 05:00 am UTC (link)
I... what...?

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[info]bukowski
2009-12-04 05:04 am UTC (link)
I think that's the most absurd application of Godwin's I've ever seen. Most people at least declare "the new Jews" to be something that's, y'know, alive.

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[info]undomielregina
2009-12-04 05:07 am UTC (link)
I maintain that the print book will be all but dead within 50 years. I'm also convinced that widespread change will happen as soon as college students start using e-book versions of their textbooks (so easy to carry!) They'll be accustomed to reading on an e-book screen and it'll seem obvious and convenient to do all their reading there.

Apparently, this means that I'm a filthy, Nazi book-burner. I learn such interesting things about myself thanks to Journalfen!

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[info]sarracenia
2009-12-04 05:13 am UTC (link)
So what are we if we have gigantic libraries of real books on the one hand, and large libraries of ebooks on the other? Secretly Jewish Nazi bookburners?

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[info]sandglass
2009-12-04 05:13 am UTC (link)
Says the guy with a blog!

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2009-12-04 05:23 am UTC (link)
I don't have to beat him at thumbwrestling or any other silly physical contest. I just have to live another, oh, thirty years or so.
Winner by default.

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[info]darkecology
2009-12-04 05:38 am UTC (link)
I wonder how much street-fighting our brave blogger has done prior to this? And was it with thumbs, shirtless, for grate justice?

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[info]esther_a
2009-12-04 05:41 am UTC (link)
Perhaps it's some sort of bizarre performance art? Seeing how many logical fallacies and instances of Godwin's Law he can fit into a single argument?

There are some elegant smackdowns in that thread, though.

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(no subject) - [info]bacon_lover, 2009-12-07 02:30 am UTC

[info]mareen
2009-12-04 05:48 am UTC (link)
For some reason, what annoys me most is Der Jude is now Der Book.
Because if anything, it should be "Das Book", not "der".

The rest of what he said sounded like "Wah wah wah" to me.

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[info]some_dude
2009-12-04 06:48 am UTC (link)
The weird thing (...okay, a weird thing) is that, if he's bound and determined to compare ebook users to Nazis, one of the things that Nazis were known for was...burning and censoring books. Wouldn't that make a much better, less offensive and insane, comparison? No? Okay, human genocide comparison it is!

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[info]blue_penguin
2009-12-04 07:30 am UTC (link)
Der Jude is now Der Book

... but "book" in German is neuter, not masculine!

/missing the point

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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-12-04 07:39 am UTC (link)
*leans away from her screen in horror, fears the crazy is catching*

Um, my thoughts on eBooks are that they're okay, and I'm taking long distance college courses so most of my notes are digital, and I still need to print them out sometimes because it's easier for me to highlight, flip through, and set pages side by side if they're physical than try scrolling up and down on a page or flipping between programs.

I also prefer paperback to hardcover books because they're easier to store, and -- this will sound stupid -- they're lighter. I do a lot of reading, so I don't want to hold onto a book that's unnecessarily heavy.

/dork
/thoughts on books

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[info]wankismyfandom
2009-12-04 07:52 am UTC (link)
Well, if print books do go out of style, that'll mean they'll be massively cheap, like VHS tapes are now, right?

I could go for this. :D

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[info]floriatosca
2009-12-04 09:05 am UTC (link)
I've played D&D games where the only copies of a sourcebook we had on hand were electronic, and if you're doing a lot of browsing or passing them around between multiple people, PDFs are just not as convenient as a codex version (although certainly better than nothing, and they're good for obscure stuff that you can't find in hard copy at any kind of reasonable rate.)

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[info]evilsqueakers
2009-12-04 10:33 am UTC (link)
I have no idea what Idiot Dujour is speaking about, but I thank you for putting this up. I meant to go to Samhain and EC to look for freebies since my circle of mass paperback is dead, save for Caine's Morganville series and Marr's Lovely fey.

What? I love free books with new authors. So much cheaper than having to buy two dozen anthologies.

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[info]lady7jane
2009-12-04 01:07 pm UTC (link)
You seem to be participating in the thread quite a lot. I_wank might've been a better choice.

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[info]ingrid
2009-12-04 03:01 pm UTC (link)
Poetry-writing makes you tough?

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[info]ram
2009-12-04 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Lets thumbwrestle for three shirtless private rounds in an alley of my choice, and see who's left victorious: my 6'2”, 200 pound, tattooed, 57 year old military veteran Bronx-born poetry writing streetfighting ass or your nerdy and ignorant Silicon Folly digitized selves.

I don't know. Something tells me that those 'nerdy, digitized' folks might have stronger thumbs....

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[info]mcity
2009-12-04 07:53 pm UTC (link)
>So, I'd like to extend the following invite to any on this site. Lets thumbwrestle for three shirtless private rounds in an alley of my choice, and see who's left victorious: my 6'2”, 200 pound, tattooed, 57 year old military veteran Bronx-born poetry writing streetfighting ass or your nerdy and ignorant Silicon Folly digitized selves.

Reminds me of that episode of Family Guy when Brian and Peter time travel to the 80s, and pisses off an 80s guy, and the guy offers to fight him anyplace, any time. Brian chooses the top of the World Trade Center, September 11th, 2001, 8AM.

What I'm saying is, if anyone here is a time traveller...

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[info]bigbigtruck
2009-12-04 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Alan Kaufman vs Mobileread!

I read this as "Alan Kaufman vs. Motörhead" and expected something a bit more HARDCORE.

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[info]duraniedrama
2009-12-04 09:37 pm UTC (link)
It does feel a bit weird to realize one is smack-dab in the middle of a massive cultural shift and some things you felt were going to be permanent are on their way out.

However, as the Luddites learned, pitching a fit won't turn the clock back.

I don't think books will be eliminated by electronic readers any more than candles were eliminated by the light bulb. Though I suspect that books, like candles, will become objects of indulgence that sometimes come in handy when the power goes out.

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[info]willywanka
2009-12-04 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Alan has nothing to worry about. E-books haven't arrived until No More Picnic goes digital.

your entire generation haven't the capacity to interrogate your own experience vis a vis the addictive, soul-numbing machines that have become mocking substitutes for your human experience.

Are you kidding? It seems like every other new non-fiction book out there is about the addictive, soul-numbing machines that have become mocking substitutes for your human experience and how civilization is doomed 4eva n' eva.

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(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2009-12-05 08:17 pm UTC

[info]jkefka
2009-12-04 11:02 pm UTC (link)
He just did it again, this time in the Huffington Post.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-12-04 11:56 pm UTC

[info]brennalarose
2009-12-05 04:43 pm UTC (link)
...*eyeroll*

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