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vassilissa ([info]vassilissa) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-12-15 18:54:00


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Satanic ritual abuse wank
I dithered about whether to put this in unfunnybusiness or here, but in the end Satanic Ritual Abuse is not real, and what the person who said it was said was so funny it belonged here.

People who blatantly deny the existence of ritual abuse after being offered solid resources to the contrary demonstrate that they don’t need evidence about its existence. Instead, when they continue to deny its existence in a seemingly obsessive manner, they are more likely trolling for new victims in hopes that responding survivors will – while more emotional – slip-up and provide vulnerable, personal information.

There you go. If you deny the existance of ritual abuse, it's because you're looking for new victims to ritually abuse.


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[info]puipui
2009-12-15 09:28 am UTC (link)
Recovery hurts like hell at first, but it’s much better than being one of the living dead. Been there; have zero desire to go back.

OMG ZOMBIES ARE REAL TOO?!? D:

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[info]lostmahmarbles
2009-12-15 04:49 pm UTC (link)
That's spooky. I was just reading 5 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Apocalypse Could Actually Happen not even an hour ago.

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Re: Reposted for HTML superfail - [info]edelweiss, 2009-12-15 04:55 pm UTC

[info]puipui
2009-12-15 09:40 am UTC (link)
Also, OMFG, that is an actual book. In an actual library. My D: is totally real this time. D:

From the comments on the sequel post:

i can’t wait for the upcoming book that helps kids deal with this book: “Don’t Make Me Read It Again Mommy – A Child’s Book About Inappropriate Early Childhood Books.”

Yeah, that about says it all, right there. D:

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[info]oulangi
2009-12-15 09:59 am UTC (link)
OF COURSE Satanic Ritual Abuse exists, albeit known in the colloquial: Snape/OFC

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[info]notjo
2009-12-16 03:18 am UTC (link)
*laugh*

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[info]solle
2009-12-15 10:55 am UTC (link)
I'm sure there have been plenty of idiots out there who thought hurting children was a perfectly appropriate way to worship Satan (or whoever else). There's no way that didn't happen at least once. And I wouldn't be shocked at all if it turns out some of those sick fucks were organized.

I get that people are skeptical about the individual stories, but why are they so skeptical about ritual abuse in general? What's the point of that? Children are abused everywhere, there's pedophile rings in every country, and the chances of at least a handful of those rings being full of religious nuts are high enough.

And if that kind of abuse really happened to someone, there's nothing wanky about them developing paranoia later on in life from the resulting trauma. Even if it only happened in their head, they still obviously suffer from some kind of trauma or mental illness, and they're looking at their situation as rationally as it possible for them at this time.

tl;dr unfunny business, and not even wank.

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[info]solle
2009-12-15 10:56 am UTC (link)
> is possible. I can type.

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[info]smashingstars
2009-12-15 11:25 am UTC (link)
I agree. People in the thread OP links to have said exactly what you did, and of course this book is from 1990, at the end of the Satanic Panic period, which explains a lot.

Besides, there are other replies in the thread of the same ilk as the one OP specifically linked to, so I'm not sure what the intent of this post was anyway. Deliberately singling out Sullivan because she posted multiple times? Also also plus, the thread was closed down, so nothing more will develop from this. So... not findin' the wank.

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[info]atalantapendrag
2009-12-15 12:00 pm UTC (link)
Agreed.

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[info]eleutheria
2009-12-15 12:00 pm UTC (link)
People are skeptical about "satanic ritual abuse" in general because there's been a fairly consistent pattern of people inducing memories of shit that didn't happen in people (particularly Dominionist cults) who then turn against their families and their friends-- people have lost their children over SRA accusations, their livelihoods, and even their freedom. And it's been used over and over again to persecute people for following Pagan and Satanist religions and deny people religious freedom. Every single investigation of this shit in every single country where it has surfaced has found nothing. Some countries have gone back on their charges against people caught up in this lie. The US hasn't.

And I agree, it's really seriously unfunnybusiness.

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[info]phosfate
2009-12-15 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Children are abused everywhere. But the ritualized, Satanic-panic daycare abuse scenario described in this book is fucking bullshit, and the hysteria over it harms everone it touches.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2009-12-15 04:46 pm UTC
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[info]snarp
2009-12-15 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, but I don't think you don't understand why you're upsetting people here. No one in this thread is claiming that child abuse doesn't happen, and no one is claiming that abusers don't occasionally claim religious motives. The issue is that the phrase "ritual abuse" has a very specific meaning and history - it refers to non-Christians, in particular pagans and Satanists, abusing children for religious reasons in an organized fashion. This claim is used by religious extremists to demonize non-Christians, and tends to get linked up with larger conspiracy theories, particularly the "international Jewish conspiracy" subset.

A useful thing to remember about these claims is that the people making are frequently making money off of them - Michelle Smith, the most famous alleged abuse survivor, sold a best-selling book about her (fictional) experiences, and her husband and therapist was hired as a consultant in other cases; Mike Warnke had both a book and lucrative speaking career.

As melannen points out upstream in the thread, ritual abuse accusations are, in essence, a form of the blood libel, the claim that a given group eats children. The ideas of cannibalism and of deliberately hurting children are triggers of fear and disgust in pretty much every culture, so an accusation that a group of people do so frequently as part of their culture is a quick, simple way to dehumanize that group. It is a tactic that's been used by many different religious and ethnic groups throughout human history to paint other religious and ethnic groups as barbaric and subhuman.

The most famous example of the blood libel is probably the persistent accusations by medieval Christians that Jews kidnapped Christian children and use their blood to make matzos at Passover. This claim was often used in Germany in France as a rationale for the systematic killing of Jews and the seizure of Jewish property by the government. It was most common in unstable social times, when some city was concerned its citizens might aim their unrest at the government and wished to redirect it, or difficult economic times, which the city felt might be alleviated by the seizure of the Jews' property. Sociologists feel that similar factors come into play with ritual abuse accusations - the most famous case

The blood libel still persists today and there's an interesting feature of it that I think might help make it clear to you why you're offending people here: White supremacist groups in the United States frequently use exactly the same arguments you're using here in its defense. They defend their right to claim that Jews kill children, in spite of historical evidence against it, by saying that it only happened sometimes and it wasn't organized. If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that "ritual abuse" might happen, but not in an organized manner, not in large groups, and not only by non-Christians. The problem there is that the specific definition of the term "ritual abuse" is, in fact, the organized, large-scale abuse of children by non-Christians. If you say "ritual abuse," that's what people think of. What you're doing here, in essence, is not defending children, but defending the use of a term, and one with a very, very unpleasant history.

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2009-12-15 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Could someone point out the funny? I'm clearly missing something.

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[info]phosfate
2009-12-15 04:07 pm UTC (link)
The book's illustrations are pretty hilarious.

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[info]ghostmaster
2009-12-15 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Protip: If you're not sure, it's not funny enough.

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[info]galateus
2009-12-15 01:46 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, conspiracy theories are pretty LOL-worthy. I just wish I had the "Could it be... SATAN?!" Church Lady icon.

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[info]jkefka
2009-12-15 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I have a handy little rubric for this kind of thing: When in doubt, ufb. If, at any point, you have to ask yourself "does this belong in ufb instead of otf_wank?" put it in ufb. It works out better for everyone.

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(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2009-12-16 04:05 am UTC

[info]doomsday
2009-12-15 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Ha ha...ha?

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[info]anarchicq
2009-12-15 07:06 pm UTC (link)
...I'm ...not too sure what's going on here, but do I need to break out my copy of The Satanic Bible?

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[info]whimsy_chan
2009-12-15 08:17 pm UTC (link)
Boy, where's Bob Larson when you need him?

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2009-12-15 08:48 pm UTC (link)
To bring real honest-to-gosh ALB funny:

Let's Go on An Atomic Submarine!

<http://"awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/partys-over/">The Betty Betz Party Book from 1947</a>

Fun with String

Computer Basics from 1984

Phunology! [sic]

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[info]tehrin
2009-12-15 09:08 pm UTC (link)
What a great book to read to your child before bedtime.

The creepiest illustration.

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[info]brennalarose
2009-12-15 10:38 pm UTC (link)
...Oh, boy.

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[info]issendai
2009-12-15 10:53 pm UTC (link)
When I get tired of watching Spider Man swing dance, I like to listen to steampunk songs about tea or see what Sarah Haskins has to say about my personal garden.

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No Knead Bread.
[info]platedlizard
2009-12-16 03:56 am UTC (link)
I love me some homemade bread, but I am also lazy. Bread I don't have to knead is a good thing and also the only kind of bread I can bake.

Three cups all purpose flour
1/4 tsp fast rising yeast.
salt to taste (generally about 1 to 2 tsp)

You can add anything you like for flavoring. I like to throw in a couple pinches of rosemary

Mix together in a ceramic or glass bowl, cover with saran wrap, and let rise for 12-24 hours.

Dump out onto floured parchment paper (actually I use a silicone cookie sheet). Tuck the ends under and let rise again for 1-2 hours.

Preheat oven for 1/2 hour at 475*F. If you use a ceramic or thick metal pot to back the bread be sure to preheat it as well. I use a silicone loaf thingie.

Dump the dough into your pot, and cover with a lid or tinfoil. Bake for 1/2 hour. Remove from oven and let the loaf cool on a cooling rack (be sure to put any ceramic pots back in the oven to cool). Let stand for one hour before eating.

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