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vassilissa ([info]vassilissa) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2009-12-15 18:54:00


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Satanic ritual abuse wank
I dithered about whether to put this in unfunnybusiness or here, but in the end Satanic Ritual Abuse is not real, and what the person who said it was said was so funny it belonged here.

People who blatantly deny the existence of ritual abuse after being offered solid resources to the contrary demonstrate that they don’t need evidence about its existence. Instead, when they continue to deny its existence in a seemingly obsessive manner, they are more likely trolling for new victims in hopes that responding survivors will – while more emotional – slip-up and provide vulnerable, personal information.

There you go. If you deny the existance of ritual abuse, it's because you're looking for new victims to ritually abuse.


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[info]sneer
2009-12-15 06:49 pm UTC (link)
And just to be clear: no, I don't believe there was a vast conspiracy to commit this kind of abuse. Of course not.

I am just saying that it is possible that there are or have been isolated incidents of crazy people doing this sort of shit.

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[info]melange
2009-12-15 07:28 pm UTC (link)
And by 'this sort of shit' you mean 'flushing people down the toilet,' 'raping children in a hot air balloon,' and 'killing and then cannibalizing babies.'

Most reports of SRA are so ridiculous that I can't believe that any of them occured. Some of these children may have been abused; I just don't buy that their care-givers threw them into shark tanks to please the Dark Lord, and then flew around the school in a clown suit*.

*All real accusations made by the alledged victims of SRA.

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[info]sneer
2009-12-15 07:53 pm UTC (link)
No, by "this sort of shit" I mean beating, raping, or otherwise injuring a child in some kind of pseudo-ritualistic manner because you think that's what the voices in your head your supreme being wants you to do.

Yes, I agree that many of the reports of SRA are fucking crazy. Yes, I agree--as I have said twice now--that I don't believe there is or ever was a grand Satanic conspiracy to grab and abuse children to make Satan happy.

I am just saying that it is possible that crazy people might have abused their children in some ritual-like manner, and that it strikes me as callous at best to automatically assume any child who claims to have suffered such abuse is making it up or has had false memories planted.

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[info]sarracenia
2009-12-15 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Automatically assume? No. Investigate the crap out of it before taking it as true and convicting anyone based off the testimony, while meanwhile encouraging the kid to talk without ever letting yourself lead the conversation? Jesus fuck yes. Because unfortunately, there's been a lot of people who've abused kids by convincing them that they have suffered terrible abuse at the hands of Satanists, and so accusations of Satanic ritual abuse just can't be accepted at face value.

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[info]sneer
2009-12-15 09:00 pm UTC (link)
And I'm not saying it shouldn't have the crap investigated out of it. By all means, it needs to have the crap investigated out of it. Any claim of abuse of any kind should be investigated thoroughly. I never said it shouldn't. It DOES need to be investigated, and that also means not just blowing it off with "well, since SRA isn't real, that means nothing even remotely like ritual abuse ever happens to anyone so run along now."

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[info]melange
2009-12-15 08:34 pm UTC (link)
I am just saying that it is possible that crazy people might have abused their children in some ritual-like manner

And I am just saying that this is not the same thing as Satanic Ritual Abuse. Unless, of course, you think that raping a child for religious purposes is something that only Satanists do. (I'd also like to point out that, as far as I know, none of the people accused of practicing SRA were actually Satanists.)

it strikes me as callous at best to automatically assume any child who claims to have suffered such abuse is making it up or has had false memories planted.

Because that's exactly what everyone here is saying. When you're dealing with children, particularly very young children, you have to take into account that children a) will lie if they think that's what adults want them to do, and b) cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality as easily as adults can. We should not be able to convict someone on the word of a four year old, especially not one who needed twenty hours of prodding by a psychologist before they would say anything.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2009-12-17 02:39 am UTC (link)
What you're missing here is that the phrase "Satanic Ritual Abuse" is a term of art that refers to a specific hypothesis: that there is an organized network of adults who abuse children because it's part of their practice as Satanists, and that this network has co-opted powerful officials and law-enforcement departments around the world to conceal their existence.

Yes, there are probably individual abusers who self-identify as Satanists, and who may even link the practice to their spiritual path in some fucked-up crazy way (just as there are individual abusers who link their abusive practices to Christianity and probably every other religion).

But that's not what the phrase "Satanic Ritual Abuse" refers to. The capitalization is meant to set off that it's a term of art, like the difference between masons and Masons.

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