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	WARNING: UNFUNNY imp 2010-07-21 03:10 am UTC (link)
	Aside from her being an Objectivist, my main knowledge of her is her unfortunate tendency to write "Welcomed" Rape. I don't care if her books are somehow the most amazing thing since sliced bread, that alone prevents me from ever wanting to pick one up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY bienegold 2010-07-21 04:24 am UTC (link)
	You know what's awkward? Hitting those scenes in the audiobook when you're in the car with your dad. Ugh. SCARRED FOR LIFE. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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puipui
2010-07-21 10:51 am UTC (link)

Also, her ideal man, on whom she based the hero of one of her (unfinished) novels, was a guy who tortured and killed a 12-year-old girl. (More here and here.) She said he had "a wonderful, free, light consciousness." She thought he had "a genuinely beautiful soul." She said that society as a whole was "loathsome" in their indignation at what he did, and that "It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal."

I fucking hate Ayn Rand. And the more I read about her, the more I hate her.

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	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY napalmnacey 2010-07-21 11:40 am UTC (link)
	She sounds really fucking loathesome. The second I hear someone talk positively about her, I stop listening to them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY msmanna 2010-07-22 07:24 am UTC (link)
	The second I hear someone talk positively about her, I stop listening to them. Which is quite useful, in it's own way, though. It could only be more helpful if those people actually wore a sandwich board reading 'Nothing that comes out of my mouth will be worth the oxygen I used up to say it'. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY eleutheria 2010-07-22 09:20 am UTC (link)
	You'd have loved my former co-worker. His desk abutted mine, and he was either on about Ayn Rand or Camille Paglia, both of which he thought walked on water. I detested both before I knew anything about either one of them, simply because he wouldn't shut up about it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY napalmnacey 2010-07-21 12:01 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. Reading that article about Hickman actually gave me a headache. I can feel a vein in the back of my head throbbing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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phosfate
2010-07-21 01:41 pm UTC (link)

"The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal..."

Because, really, who hasn't tortured and killed a junior high student? YOU'RE A MASSIVE COCKBITE, RAND!

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puipui
2010-07-21 09:58 pm UTC (link)

That's the part that's always baffled/horrified me the most, where she's all "LET HE WHO HAS NOT DISMEMBERED A LIVING PRE-TEEN CAST THE FIRST STONE OMG!" It's just so mind-bogglingly wrong that I can't even figure out how to react, except to assume that Ayn Rand must have been some sort of homocidal sociopath and wonder where she buried all the bodies.

Well, that and all the shuddering and recoiling and abject revulsion, of course.

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	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY agent_hyatt 2010-07-22 03:24 am UTC (link)
	"LET HE WHO HAS NOT DISMEMBERED A LIVING PRE-TEEN CAST THE FIRST STONE OMG!" Proper response to that is "'Kay" and calling over all your friends and family to join in. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY sistercoyote 2010-07-21 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	Why. Why do I follow links having anything to do with Rand? Why? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY imp 2010-07-21 06:54 pm UTC (link)
	Ugh! Here I just thought that aside from her squicky view of sex, she was probably a normal philosopher (albeit one I don't agree with). That's one of the most hideous things I ever read, and it blows my mind that anyone, much less a wellknown author with a cult following, would think there's anything admirable about that man. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY platedlizard 2010-07-21 08:29 pm UTC (link)
	Well, some women do write love letters to serial killers. Ted Bundy even fathered a child while he was on Death Row. So yeah. Me, I prefer my men to be non-homicidal. That's always a plus. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY dragonfangirl 2010-07-22 06:40 am UTC (link)
	I dislike it in fandom, but it's not really a thing. Fictional characters, nobody has to get hurt, ya no? But fangirling over a real life serial killer... you know what, just because I believe in tolerance and personal freedom doesn't mean that there aren't some things that are just over the line, ya know? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY cleolinda 2010-07-21 08:47 pm UTC (link)
	Holy shit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY ardath_rekha 2010-07-22 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	Ewww. So essentially Rand's definition of a "real man" is synonymous with "clinical sociopath." Good to know. (Somehow I just never got exposed to her as a kid, teen, young adult, etc., and I'm very very glad of it.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY cmdr_zoom 2010-07-22 11:08 pm UTC (link)
	So essentially Rand's definition of a "real man" is synonymous with "clinical sociopath." Color me completely unsurprised. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY sandglass 2010-07-22 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	What the fucking fuck. Ayn Rand, pointless, vicious murder isn't the result of a stifling society, it's the result of the exact philosophy you espouse. Augh, I need to go bleach my brain now. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY takhys 2010-07-25 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	Yet another reason I am thankful that my mother went with her second choice of names for me and I didn't end up a Dagny. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WARNING: UNFUNNY puipui 2010-07-25 11:15 pm UTC (link)
	It's sad, because Dagny is kind of an awesome name for a girl, and yet it is ruined forever because ew. Bleh. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	takhys 2010-07-25 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	My mother adores Rand. My father is a geologist. I would've been Dagny Amethyst. sob ...I am so glad they changed their minds at the last minute. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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