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The Mad Bishounen ([info]jkefka) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-09-03 15:10:00


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As wanky as a red, red rose.
Publishing wank, fresh and delicious! Get yer publishing wank, get it while it's long and sticky!

(this wank courtesy of [info]wank_report)

It starts on Dear Author, with a post about one Red Rose Publishing. Kat Holmes, an author I have no particular knowledge of, finally got out of an NDA and posted a blog about her experiences with the publishing house. The DA summary includes books being published either too early or too late without the authors being told and breaches of contract that, when the author asks for the rights to be reverted, are answered with bills for cover art and editing services, and notices from cover artists and editors quitting are ignored. Part of the horror story from Kat's blog is reproduced, go over and read it if you want a nice, healthy dose of paranoia about picking publishers.

In any case, the founder of Red Rose responds, in a totally, utterly, completely professional and sane manner.

Ok, really it's a wanky mess, but you'd never know it from the first sentence:

This is not intended for the authors who did not go in the readers loop to whine and complain!

Oh yeah, we're dealing with a fucking bastion of maturity here. Some gems from the rest of the screed:

Pot, Kettle
I am beyond furious at those who have done it, and lets say I am not pleased and how unprofessional can you get!

Heidipology anyone?
Yeah, I am behind getting out the statements to those who have not sold $20 because I have been dealing with some serious family issues and for that I am sorry. I apologize for having some serious family issues going on with me.

DON'T TRUST THE GUBMINT!
Believe me the state and federal governments are looking to get money, unfortunately I guess on their parts all of our stuff checked out and was in the auditor’s oppinions [sic] one of the best and well put together as I had every thing she need right there.

It reads like a checklist of poor communication and bile
#1- you had no idea, #2- you are out to do the company and your fellow authors problems or #3- You do not care about Red Rose Publishing, your books, sales or the reputation of the company!

PROFESSIONALISM IS CAPSLOCK
I have repeatedly busted my ass so even those WHO DO NOT SELL GET A CHANCE TO GET THEIR BOOKS in print, well F* me, for going out of my way to help any authors, take out ads or even do contests.

And on, and on, and on. But that's only half this beautiful piece of work.

Down in the comments, things kick off right away with Kat herself showing up at comment #8. The fun doesn't really start until #13, though, when Kat's mother, Lin, shows up to add her two cents, and shilling a thrilling expose on her blog. An expose that, incidentally, I can't find under the hideous eye-searing format of the blog itself. Scroll down from the comment and you'll find Moira, an author who has her own set of little complaints.

I resented being called a f***tard and hearing her call other people the same.

I resented being called via telephone and having to listen to her talk about her staff and authors, badmouthing them, calling them useless, and generally spewing vitriol, blaming everyone for everything and never accepting responsibility that sometimes it may well have been HER fault.

I resent not being paid royalties since I left. She has disregarded her own contract which states if you work a month’s notice, she will still pay you. She doesn’t.


There's about a page more of that. Down at #17, Mom turns up again with...well I'm not sure what, really.

Red Rose only has ONE viable contract for the THREE maunscripts with my daughter and that is for her first, stand alone book VOICE IN THE NIGHT. That means they released TWO of her books without valid contracts because the second contract is made out to me writing as my daughetr even though I have never written as her…and despite repeated requests for a corrected contract we were told not to worry it was legal because they’d changed their copy and would get Kat a copy ASAP. The only copy Kat has from RRP is the one in MY name writing under her pen name.

Yeah I dunno but clearly capslock is the new professional. Moira once again reaffirms her hatred in the next comment, but we're just getting started! Down to #32, over a lot of people recoiling in horror at the post, we have Won't you think of the children authors!, which Lin promptly responds in agreement, but with another list of offenses.

Of course, a one-sided wank isn't nearly as much fun. Another RRP author appears, with the minority sentiment.

Totally objective, here.
Just an FYI, people. There are always more than two sides to a story. Gossip hurts everyone.

I’m not on anyone’s ‘side’, but I will say that RRP promised to get me published and they did, on time, and with excellent support from my editors and the art group.


RIGHTEOUS FURY OF CAPSLOCK
Please consider that this type of nastiness is unacceptible and the source who provided the (yes, scathing) email in the first place is the one who set out to harm, not Wendi.

All excuses aside, even when I have my own issues with someone or a company, I do address this in PRIVATE and never slander someone. That’s just WRONG.


Not in any way passive-aggressive
Thanks for reading. I truly do believe that we are all in this together and I’d like to see a little kindness and understanding from ALL SIDES.

Hugs
Franny Armstrong


I think it's signing off with "Hugs" that really does it for me. Anyways, Kat's mother responds further down in hilarious style. DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO CLICK, DO YOU REALLY?.

@Franny Armstrong: I’m wondering, Ms. Armstrong if you have the courage to seek out the truth. http://linsownspeculations.blogspot.com/
That is my blog and on it I have posted the truth and copied the only contract Red Rose Publishing sent for my Daughter’s God’s At Work Series. Do you have the courage to go to my blog and see the truth? You were there that night, the night Ms. Felder flipped out on Kat and then pulled all Kat’s works from the catalog and banned her from the Author’s loop. She made you talk to Kat even though you knew from your radio show that Kat was ill…in fact you told her Kat should have been in bed…Kat HAD been in bed, but when Wendi Felter wants one of her minions attention you could be running a fever of a 105 and you’re gonna talk to her. You were right there in her home. So tell me, do you have the courage to be really impartial and see if we’re lying or if we have the proof to back our claim? There’s my link? Will you follow? Should be interesting to see what you do.


It's a long one, but there's a lot of glorious batshit pagentry on display. Sprinkled throughout are anonymous authors, editors, and others chiming in with their experiences with RRP, most of which are distinctly negative. This is a wank I highly encourage clicking through, because there's way more that I just couldn't include.

And here come the ETAs: Writers Beware just picked it up. Courtesy of [info]sistercoyote

ETA the second: Red Rose threatens to sue Dear Author! This could be interesting, and by "interesting" I mean "hilarious". Thanks [info]rainkatt!


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[info]deliciouschaos
2010-09-03 08:18 pm UTC (link)
I'm wondering, Ms. Armstrong if you have the courage to seek out the truth.

This sounds like something from The Matrix.

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[info]sistercoyote
2010-09-03 10:51 pm UTC (link)
Just how deep does the rabbit hole go?

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[info]staroverthebay
2010-09-04 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Or "A Few Good Men"

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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[info]rhosyn_du
2010-09-03 08:52 pm UTC (link)
After trying to parse some of that, I feel deep, deep sympathy for the editors working with these people. However much they're getting paid, it's not enough.

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[info]singe
2010-09-03 09:01 pm UTC (link)
There’s my link?

Is that my link? Or is that a portal to the Snake Pit? Jesus, what IS that?

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[info]sneer
2010-09-03 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Where's my link?
Is that my link?
It goes "WHARRGARBL"
It is batshit.
It is not my ...no actually it is my link

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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2010-09-03 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2010-09-03 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2010-09-03 10:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2010-09-03 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nightwithmoon, 2010-09-03 11:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2010-09-04 01:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-04 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2010-09-04 02:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ldymusyc, 2010-09-04 02:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2010-09-04 03:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2010-09-05 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2010-09-05 09:20 pm UTC

[info]issendai
2010-09-03 09:57 pm UTC (link)
If someone made me choose between having sex or reading an erotic romance small press implosion... I might choose the implosion. Damn. That's some high-quality wank'n'whine right there.

It still astonishes me that authors, editors, and artists haven't learned to run like hell when the owner starts throwing the word "family" around. It always comes with a Kool-Aid chaser, but people are always caught off guard when the cups are passed around.

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[info]feenix
2010-09-03 10:36 pm UTC (link)
I see Lin subscribes to the At[REDACTED] school of web design.

Also, someone needs to show her how to make her font smaller than 24-point because shit is HELL to scroll through.

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[info]platedlizard
2010-09-03 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Maybe it's just me, but if I had family problems and I had authors breathing down my neck wanting statements and payments and such, I'd hire a bookkeeper. Actually, if I were running a small publishing house I'd already have one. Doesn't have to be full time, there are plenty of independent bookkeepers out there who can come in once every two weeks and keep my books. Sure, it's one more expense, but it has to be cheaper then getting sued. Also math? Not my forte! Someone else can do it. oh god, I'm taking Pre-Calc II in three weeks

Ahem.

Yeah.

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[info]kirarose
2010-09-04 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Pre Calc II? /runs like hell/

I can barely handle Algebra.

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[info]platedlizard
2010-09-03 11:00 pm UTC (link)
I had for the anniversary blow out, with the following prizes for the readers:
Kindle DX- the $499 one
Ebookwise ebook reader
A Netbook
Black Diamond Earrings
Other Jewelry
Perfumes and gift sets made up with Roses
Red Rose Publishing Mouse Pads and a whole lot of other stuff including print books that were autographed!
For the authors who went out there and promote the anniversary sale and contests the following were to be prizes:
Black diamond earrings
Ebookwise ebook Reader
$25 cash
Other Jewelry
Perfume, and body gift sets with Roses
NOW YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO?
I want to take all of that back to the store as I feel now ready to cry and was let down by those who did what they did, plus I am tired of being the one do things and those who do not sell whine about every thing.


I'm getting mad here, folks. Why did she do that in the first place? Admittedly those are awesome gifts, but if authors are complaining about not being paid, and editors and cover artists are complaining about not being paid, pay them first before you buy prizes like this. This not rocket science.

And. GAH!

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[info]underwaterowl
2010-09-04 05:52 am UTC (link)
My boss does that to me sometimes. He'll have money troubles, not get me my paycheck on time, and as an apology, show up to my shifts with sushi for me.

I could afford the sushi myself if I'd get my damn pay.

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(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2010-09-05 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sumire, 2010-09-06 03:55 pm UTC

tetradecimal
2010-09-03 11:08 pm UTC (link)
@Franny Armstrong: I’m wondering, Ms. Armstrong if you have the courage to seek out the truth. http://linsownspeculations.blogspot.com/

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN MORE DANGEROUS.

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[info]lilitu93
2010-09-03 11:19 pm UTC (link)
The woman who runs RRP is obviously batshit, and the signs were there from the beginning if you've followed any of the erotic romance epresses before.

Shame that one of the people trying to expose what's gone wrong writes posts like this one. Half of it makes no sense ("our Publisher's book with another publisher"??), plus I really wonder what kind award any of those covers would win except the "I'm really glad bad Poser art isn't used on epress covers anymore" award.

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(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-03 11:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-09-04 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 07:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2010-09-05 02:54 am UTC
repost for html fail - [info]wtf, 2010-09-09 05:05 pm UTC
Re: repost for html fail - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-09 06:16 pm UTC

[info]sistercoyote
2010-09-03 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Writer Beware is on the case!

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-09-04 01:14 am UTC (link)
I love it when people buy the explanations of incompetent publishers with the Stockholm Syndrome line of 'WELL THEY GOT ME PUBLISHED SO WHY ARE YOU SO MEENZ?'

Of course your publisher got you published, because they're a publisher. They wouldn't exist without writers. Being grateful to them for entering into a business relationship with you is like a cereal company being grateful to a supermarket chain for stocking its cereal in its store--it's a professional opportunity about which one is rightly excited, but it's not a favor. And if the supermarket doesn't forward your percentage of the receipts for the cereal you shipped to them, it's not OK for them to say "Oh, I have family problems."

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[info]seca
2010-09-04 04:06 am UTC (link)
Why does the romance genre seem so wanky? Or do the other genres just hide their crazy better?

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2010-09-04 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2010-09-04 01:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2010-09-04 05:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2010-09-04 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2010-09-04 06:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamworld, 2010-09-04 11:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2010-09-04 04:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-09-04 07:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2010-09-05 04:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2010-09-05 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2010-09-09 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 07:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 07:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 07:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2010-09-04 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-04 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-09-07 01:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-07 01:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2010-09-04 07:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2010-09-06 10:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2010-09-07 02:51 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-08 04:06 pm UTC

[info]lied_ohne_worte
2010-09-04 10:26 am UTC (link)
I don't know if it's just me, but I'd be wary of entering into a business relationship with a publisher who uses words like "unacceptible", "oppinions", "every thing she need". Not to speak of the complete and utter lack of correctly applied commas.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2010-09-04 01:33 pm UTC

[info]emily_goddess
2010-09-04 02:00 pm UTC (link)
I feel like Red Rose (or maybe on of its authors?) has been wanked before, but it's not in the wiki. That name is really familiar.

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(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2010-09-04 07:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]msmanna, 2010-09-06 12:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sumire, 2010-09-06 03:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2010-09-08 10:08 am UTC

[info]cheryl_bites
2010-09-05 07:51 pm UTC (link)
OK, after seeing some of those covers, I can understand why the publisher wasn't paying people for making them. The one with the Grecian princess hovering in mid-air is my favourite so far. (But it's nice to know I could make a small-romance-press-quality book cover if I ever felt the need.)

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(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-07 01:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2010-09-08 10:14 am UTC

[info]msmanna
2010-09-06 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh, God. This makes me want to send my publisher a huge box of chocolates for having good contracts, and paying me on time every quarter, and tolerating my chronic procrastination, and generally being both sane and awesome.

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[info]sumire
2010-09-06 05:02 pm UTC (link)
As angry as I am that my daughter was reduced to such desperation, I am no fool. I speak nothing I cannot back up. I took down two federal agents in my past.

What did Kat's mom do, bombard them with jpegs and big fonts until they succumbed?

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(no subject) - [info]feenix, 2010-09-07 02:47 pm UTC

[info]duraniedrama
2010-09-07 01:33 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, I got as far as this and couldn't stop giggling:

To put it bluntly, the you know what hits the fan.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2010-09-07 02:30 am UTC

[info]dreamer_marie
2010-09-07 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Why is this woman's mother involved in this? Isn't she old enough to do her own wanking?

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2010-09-08 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreamer_marie, 2010-09-09 08:11 pm UTC

[info]rainkatt
2010-09-11 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Red Rose is now threatening to sue Dear Author.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2010-09-11 05:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rainkatt, 2010-09-11 06:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-09-13 02:10 am UTC

 
   
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