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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-09-18 12:28:00


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This feminist blog which depends on your donations is not here to educate you!
Thanks to the anon at wank_report for the bulk of the writeup, with its singular virtues.

S.E. SMITH accuses Lady Gaga of appropriation:

It's been pointed out that she appropriates a lot of things from musical traditions created by people of colour and nonwhite people. That her work contains transmisogyny. That she appropriates the experiences of people with disabilities. These are all things that I don't think of as feminist acts—note that I am not saying that Lady Gaga is not feminist (because I don't think it's up to me to decide that), but rather that I am saying that her actions do not always mesh with the identity she has chosen to claim. The same could be said of many other people who identify as feminist, including myself, however. Let those in glass houses...

(bonus points for the excellent use of praeteritio here.)

A commenter asks for references and explanation. According to Snarky's Machine, late of the now-closed Shapely Prose, asking for sources is derailing and oppressive:

I can't be arsed to unpack and respond to your comment except to say you're trafficking in copious amounts of derailing for dummies. Your inability to "see" how Gaga misappropriates says everything about YOUR own privilege and inability to google "Grace Jones" and nothing else. If concepts are unfamiliar to you instead assuming the concepts themselves are wrong, you might want to hit up Professor Google. Because the argument, "you're wrong because I don't know what you're talking about." just does not cut it.

Comments defending that commenter get deleted (although some are reposted in the anon threads below). Mods claim to be "reviewing the situation" (i.e., pretending to do something about it). "Open thread" disappears after 20 minutes after irate commenters leave comments there. The current status is "please email the mods directly if you want to talk about comment policy", which couldn't possibly have a chilling effect--not at all.

Snarky's Machine has another reply to that initial commenter on Twitter:

Ha. I love how some weird ass creepy e-troll named whitney is stalking my feed and tattling cause I'm so mean. Who are these people.

People take refuge to complain in several threads in the sfd_anon community. (Which are now locked; possibly accessible if you're a member of the community.) Worth noting are the ones about how Bitch magazine aggressively solicits donations to support their journalism, which puts a special irony gloss on the "we're not here to educate you" rebuttal.


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At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]feenix
2010-09-18 08:17 pm UTC (link)
...is it just me, or did anyone else just blanch at seeing this because they KNOW it's going to end in a deluge of UFB and drama?

Regardless of my worldview (which...no, does NOT intersect with S.E. Smith's or Snarky's Machine's), I just have a feeling that anything that involves themes of oppression with regards to any minority just isn't going to end well.

tl;dr - As interesting as it may be, I think it'd be more appropriate for UFB at this point (even if UFB already gets 99% of the traffic on JF right now).

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]cygnia
2010-09-18 08:36 pm UTC (link)
I think there's a backlog in the UFB queue right now. :-/

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]adevyish
2010-09-18 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I didn't find the initial post funny at all, so yeah, UFB.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]rosehiptea
2010-09-18 09:03 pm UTC (link)
I agree.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]meagenimage
2010-09-18 08:57 pm UTC (link)
I have made this graph to show a possible procedure for determining where a wank should go.

Photobucket

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]cie_anthy
2010-09-18 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Awesome! Needs one other line, though, even before RL Issues, that says "Involves racism, sexism, any other -ism, or bigotry in general?" and a yes going straight to UFB.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]meagenimage
2010-09-18 09:32 pm UTC (link)
"Involves racism, sexism, any other -ism, or bigotry in general?"

That is in fact what "RL issues" means. I wasn't sure how else to fit it into that box. I may edit it to say "Bigotry?".

History shows that wanks containing bigotry will be well-received on OTF if the bigots are in the process of getting an epic legal smackdown from an awesome judge.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]cie_anthy, 2010-09-18 10:50 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]platedlizard
2010-09-18 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I like this chart. This is a good chart.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]jkefka
2010-09-19 01:48 am UTC (link)
This needs to go in the userinfo of one of these comms. Possibly all of them.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sepiamagpie
2010-09-19 03:15 am UTC (link)
An edited version of that sucker needs to go onto the new [info]unfunny_fandom.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]sandglass, 2010-09-19 06:32 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]meagenimage
2010-09-19 12:40 pm UTC (link)
This needs to go in the userinfo of one of these comms. Possibly all of them.

UFB is not modded by the FW modsquad, so it can't be linked to in FW's userinfo because... uh... something. I think this comes up every time someone posts unfunny in FW or OTF_W.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]lilitu93, 2010-09-19 02:45 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]kylenne
2010-09-19 05:45 am UTC (link)
Everything's better with flowcharts. And pie charts.

Really, the pie must flow, is what I'm saying.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]snarkhunter
2010-09-19 12:23 pm UTC (link)
Mmmmpie.

My blueberry pies always flow. My mom says I don't use enough flour when I make the filling. But damn it, my pies FLOW.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]visp, 2010-09-20 03:46 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]annaham
2010-09-19 10:16 pm UTC (link)
EXCELLENT.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sarracenia
2010-09-18 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I was pretty surprised to see this here.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sandglass
2010-09-18 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Do people not realize that when they post shit like this in a wank comm, it says really bad things about them, not the "wankers"?

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]xero_sky
2010-09-19 02:54 am UTC (link)
But does it expose their privilege?

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]snacky
2010-09-19 03:06 am UTC (link)
It seems like it just says that [info]waltraute thinks that saying "asking for sources is derailing" is wanky. *shrug*

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sandglass
2010-09-19 03:20 am UTC (link)
Which would be fair if asking for sources was all Whitney did. There was a lot of other derailing there, but funny how that didn't get mentioned.

Well, except for how this report is kinda light on the funny. :(

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]zing_och, 2010-09-19 11:06 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]witty
2010-09-19 12:26 am UTC (link)
Wait, pop culture stuff actually gets on UFB now? Isn't it basically one big worldwide crime blog these days?

(I know nothing fandom-oriented is allowed on UFB, which strikes me as a stupid decision.)

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sandglass
2010-09-19 12:39 am UTC (link)
AFAIK, both are allowed, but things get approved really slowly, and sometimes get deleted because the comm is too popular for the mods' liking.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]sepiamagpie
2010-09-19 02:09 am UTC (link)
Might as well make yourself a fandom ufb.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]blue_penguin
2010-09-19 12:50 am UTC (link)
I've posted fandom-related wank reports involving e.g. sexism on UFB. It's not usual, but it's not disallowed.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]witty, 2010-09-19 01:00 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]blue_penguin, 2010-09-19 01:27 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]cygnia, 2010-09-19 04:16 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]magnetic_regina, 2010-09-19 09:53 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-09-19 12:25 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-09-19 12:26 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]witty, 2010-09-19 12:47 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]gerorin, 2010-09-26 05:42 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]gerorin, 2010-09-26 05:43 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]snarkhunter
2010-09-19 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Considering that RaceFail was posted to UFB, as were the regular updates on the Last Failbender...yes, fandom is allowed.

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Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]white_serpent, 2010-09-19 07:22 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]snarkhunter, 2010-09-19 09:33 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]sarracenia, 2010-09-19 09:35 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]ashu, 2010-09-20 12:31 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2010-09-20 12:36 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]sadisticferret, 2010-09-20 01:56 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]hallidae, 2010-09-20 07:54 am UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-20 04:09 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA: - [info]white_serpent, 2010-09-20 04:17 pm UTC
Re: At risk of being THAT WANKA:
[info]mcity
2010-09-26 09:59 pm UTC (link)
>...is it just me, or did anyone else just blanch at seeing this because they KNOW it's going to end in a deluge of UFB and drama?

I didn't, but I think I should've.

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