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Bougielala mothafucka ([info]thoms) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-11-04 11:13:00


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Entry tags:food, plagiarism

Public domain... I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
I came across this on twitter, thanks to John Scalzi.

Back in 2005, Monica Gaudio wrote an Ice Dragon (? I don't know what this is.) entry called A Tale of Two Tarts that appeared on the Godecookery website. It is copyrighted and on a web-domain that Monica herself owns.

Last week, a friend contacted her, asking her how she had gotten published! Monica's answer "I... didn't?"

Turns out, she had. The magazine Cooks Source (Facebook here, they are also a paper publication.) had lifted her article from the Godecookery site and put it in their magazine.

She contacts the magazine via phone and then through the "Contact Us" link on the website, and exchanges emails with them. Finally, they ask her "what she wants." She replies that she wants an apology on Facebook, a printed apology in the magazine, and $130 donated to the Columbia School of Journalism.

What she got in response was this (quoted from her post):

Yes Monica, I have been doing this for 3 decades, having been an editor at The Voice, Housitonic Home and Connecticut Woman Magazine. I do know about copyright laws. It was "my bad" indeed, and, as the magazine is put together in long sessions, tired eyes and minds somethings forget to do these things.

But honestly Monica, the web is considered "public domain" and you should be happy we just didn't "lift" your whole article and put someone else's name on it! It happens a lot, clearly more than you are aware of, especially on college campuses, and the workplace. If you took offence and are unhappy, I am sorry, but you as a professional should know that the article we used written by you was in very bad need of editing, and is much better now than was originally. Now it will work well for your portfolio. For that reason, I have a bit of a difficult time with your requests for monetary gain, albeit for such a fine (and very wealthy!) institution. We put some time into rewrites, you should compensate me! I never charge young writers for advice or rewriting poorly written pieces, and have many who write for me... ALWAYS for free!


Monica is rightfully mad.

[info]nihilistic_kid on LJ has a post about it here as well. And Scalzi posted on his blog as well.

And John Scalzi linked to his recipe for Schadenfreude Pie on the Cooks Resource Facebook wall here, with a plea that they "don't steal it." Bwah!

EDIT: The Smart Bitches have picked it up.

Also, people are looking. And unshockingly, this isn't the first time this has happened. This Pancetta and Green Onion Tart? Is copyright to Giada deLaurentiis, and appears on the Food Network website under her name.

EDIT of "Oh Fuck, The Internet is Here" - The cookssource.com website is down. Dear Author and Gawker have both picked it up.

EDIT the Heidipology: This is the last one from me, anything else will have to go into the comments, cause I'm going out and having me a drink from a non-plagiarized source. Judith Griggs has "apologised" via the wall of the Facebook account. Facebook is linked up above. Marvel, will you? (Screencap here in case she takes it down.)



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[info]the__ivorytower
2010-11-04 03:44 pm UTC (link)
the web is considered "public domain" and you should be happy we just didn't "lift" your whole article and put someone else's name on it!

...because then it would be plagiarism?

We put some time into rewrites, you should compensate me!

...the gall. The absolute gall...

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2010-11-04 09:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2010-11-05 04:39 am UTC

tetradecimal
2010-11-04 03:49 pm UTC (link)
This electronic message may contain information privileged for the addressee only.
Please be advised that the Cooks Source email addressee is not intended to be transferred to any other addressor, and any copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited.


This is my favorite part.

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(no subject) - [info]twinno, 2010-11-04 03:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-11-04 03:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]twinno, 2010-11-04 04:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-11-04 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]harrylovesron, 2010-11-04 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]twinno, 2010-11-04 04:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2010-11-05 02:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gertie_flirty, 2010-11-04 05:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2010-11-04 03:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-11-04 08:51 pm UTC

[info]seca
2010-11-04 04:01 pm UTC (link)
The reply has me thinking about those people who insist that they have every right to use whatever art work they find on the web for their ads, free of charge of course, because they are really doing the artist a favor by giving them free publicity.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2010-11-04 05:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2010-11-06 12:14 am UTC

[info]deliciouschaos
2010-11-04 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Griggs even dared end her email with, "There, now. I have gone on enough. Thank you for allowing us to use your (improved) article. the only piece of advice I have to offer is that I would watch your email content, it was very offensive, what you sent"

brb dying laughing

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[info]thebratqueen
2010-11-04 04:05 pm UTC (link)
Somewhere FA is lighting a candle of thanks for how they are no longer the most entitled people people can name this week.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-11-04 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2010-11-04 10:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]galateus, 2010-11-06 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melyanna, 2010-11-06 04:13 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2010-11-04 04:10 pm UTC (link)
My favorite comment on their FB page:

Congratulations! You're no longer totally irrelevant!

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(no subject) - [info]witty, 2010-11-04 10:10 pm UTC

[info]alexa
2010-11-04 04:18 pm UTC (link)
the web is considered "public domain"

No.

you should be happy we just didn't "lift" your whole article and put someone else's name on it!

This is sort of like, if someone came up and spit in your face, and then told you you should be happy that they didn't knee you in the groin as well.

as a professional should know that the article we used written by you was in very bad need of editing, and is much better now than was originally.

"It was so bad, in fact, that we decided to steal it and use it in our publication! PAY US!"

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(no subject) - [info]quantumreality, 2010-11-04 04:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2010-11-04 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-11-04 05:23 pm UTC

[info]magnolia_mama
2010-11-04 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Looks like Cooks Source isn't going to back down quietly.

This is a wank that not only calls for recipes, it's got them already built in!

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(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-11-04 04:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magnolia_mama, 2010-11-04 04:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-11-04 04:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bitca, 2010-11-04 05:04 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2010-11-04 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Also, from their Twitter:

This is unfair. We're adding value to someone's article and getting zero credit for it.

Denser than a neutron star.

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(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2010-11-04 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2010-11-04 05:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2010-11-05 01:43 am UTC

[info]lied_ohne_worte
2010-11-04 04:32 pm UTC (link)
So, if the Web is "public domain", I can take anything I find on Google books, even if it's only an excerpt of a book that is still in copyright, and republish it under my own name? I do not believe that this is how things work.

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[info]harrylovesron
2010-11-04 04:46 pm UTC (link)
but you as a professional should know that the article we used written by you was in very bad need of editing, and is much better now than was originally.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU, GAWD!

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[info]bitca
2010-11-04 04:58 pm UTC (link)
I think an Ice Dragon is an award for medieval cookery. I did a bit of googling and found this:

Winner of the Culinary category in the 2010 Ice Dragon competition with the entry “How to Make Eggs” a translation, analysis and redaction of a sixteenth century Dutch stuffed egg recipe.

From here: http://medievalcooking.org/sca-resume/

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(no subject) - [info]bitca, 2010-11-04 05:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2010-11-04 05:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]d00mpixie, 2010-11-04 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2010-11-05 02:12 pm UTC

[info]silmaril
2010-11-04 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I was waiting until someone found an instance of someone with enough lawyer-money being ripped-off the same way.

...Is copyright to Giada deLaurentiis, and appears on the Food Network website under her name.

This seems to be it. Time to put butter on the popcorn and get the marshmallows ready, because Internet flames are all very well, but lawyer flames can make s'mores.

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(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2010-11-05 12:51 am UTC

nam_jai
2010-11-04 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Oh, this is fun, and so easy! Here are some more:

Cooks Source has Fun With Apples!

Collected from here and here and here, all from a magazine called Sunset, and here from the Gluten-Free Girl and the Chef blog.

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And now I'm hungry - nam_jai, 2010-11-04 06:21 pm UTC
Re: And now I'm hungry - [info]paladin, 2010-11-04 08:16 pm UTC
Re: And now I'm hungry - [info]ardath_rekha, 2010-11-04 10:52 pm UTC
Re: And now I'm hungry - [info]evilsqueakers, 2010-11-05 12:53 am UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2010-11-04 05:14 pm UTC (link)
If she [the editor] didn’t understand about the Internet before, she’s surely having an education in it now. [source]

*snerk*

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[info]wankprophet
2010-11-04 06:12 pm UTC (link)
Well, gosh, as long as we're re-editing things that appear on public websites, I have to re-edit the awful diction, grammar and punctuation of that story Cooks Source e-mailed to Monica:

Yes, Monica, I have been doing this for 3 decades, so my edit-peen is the approximate size, and shape, of a very large burly mime. Unfortunately, during those three decades, I've been an editor at The Voice, Housitonic Home and Connecticut Woman Magazine, so I admit my edit-peen has gone through a considerable amount of shrinkage. However, I do know about copyright laws. They're divided into three major categories: intellectual property, publication rights, and "my bad, long sessions, tired eyes and minds somethings forget to do these things." Incidentally, "minds something" is a phrase of my own coinage and is not to be re-edited into a coherent context. Do it and I'll shoot this adverbial clause. See if I won't, bitch.

But honestly Monica, anything we're not bright enough to think up is considered "public domain" and you should be happy we're not even bigger idiots, else we might have just "lifted" your whole article and random portions of the Bible and put someone else's name on it [exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark, glottal stop] It happens a lot, like whoa! and clearly more than you are aware of, especially we're on a deadline. If you took offence (note to self: offense? offence? am I British? Must ask Mom when I see her at Thanksgiving or possibly next 4th of July) and are unhappy, I am sorry, but you as a professional (or at least you will be if anybody ever gets around to paying you for your stories) should know that the article we used written by you was in very bad need of editing, and is much better now than was originally. As per policy, we removed most of the necessary punctuation and implemented a stream-of-consciousness style that keeps the reader engrossed by turning reading into a game of 'figure out the transitions.' It's like a wonderful little side-quest except, instead of gold, your reward feeling a little better about that 'B' you got in freshman comp. Now it will work well for your portfolio if the Beat poets ever start hiring again. For that reason, I have a bit of a difficult time with your requests for monetary gain, albeit for such a fine (and very wealthy!) institution. Could you please re-write said requests to match our own writing policy? We put some time into rewrites (Mad Lib books aren't easy to finish, you know,) so you should compensate me! . We put some time into rewrites, [so] you should compensate me! I never charge young writers for advice or [for] rewriting poorly written pieces, and have many who write for me... ALWAYS for free! When the day comes that I actually tell them that I'm giving them advice or letting them write for me, my edit-peen will grow mighty once more.



Incidentally, if my version of this lovely story appears in the latest edition of Mother Goose Tales, I am so suing the fuck out of each and every person who read this.

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(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-11-04 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-11-04 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]auralan, 2010-11-04 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mermaid4fic, 2010-11-04 09:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2010-11-05 12:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2010-11-05 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bacon_lover, 2010-11-07 03:09 am UTC
Backlash has started
[info]scorpio20
2010-11-04 06:12 pm UTC (link)
From FB

Laura Puchalski As an advertiser, we are disappointed in Cook's Source and we are pulling our ads from this publication. Many of us (as is the case with our business) paid several months in advance for advertising and are unlikely to get any compensation back. We ask that you please stop emailing our business, we agree that the publication made a grave error, but the blame should be placed with them. Please do not make small businesses like mine pay for their error in judgment.
-Laura Puchalski(2nd Street Baking Co.)

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Re: Backlash has started - [info]brennalarose, 2010-11-05 02:18 pm UTC

[info]commathulhu
2010-11-04 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Dear Author has it - Be grateful you were plagiarised.

Watching the CS Facebook for the last couple of hours has been a thing of joy, especially since the internets are now onto tracking down what other articles CS have lifted.

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[info]senor_pinata
2010-11-04 06:21 pm UTC (link)
We put some time into rewrites, you should compensate me! I never charge young writers for advice or rewriting poorly written pieces, and have many who write for me... ALWAYS for free!

You know, assuming she's editing them for publication in her magazine, that's her actual JOB. I've been a magazine editor, I've done the same to pieces that came in needing work; did I charge the writers? No. That's what my salary was for. So, not free.

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[info]sarracenia
2010-11-04 06:26 pm UTC (link)
This wank is making me really hungry.

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(no subject) - [info]cyan_aura, 2010-11-04 07:34 pm UTC

[info]sneer
2010-11-04 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Apparently they've also lifted stuff from Martha Stewart.

Gonna need some more popcorn over here because shit is about to get real.

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[info]j_crew_guy
2010-11-04 06:57 pm UTC (link)
And now Gawker has picked it up.

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[info]ahiru
2010-11-04 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Wow, that letter is kind of a masterpiece. "We're sorry you took offense at us stealing your work, even though we were nice enough not put someone else's name on it! And besides, we made it better! Wasn't that kind of us? How silly of you to want money!" It's things like that that remind you why the Internet desperately needs a "punch someone in the face" button.

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[info]harrylovesron
2010-11-04 07:19 pm UTC (link)
"Cooks Source" is currently a Trending Topic on Twitter.

The Internet masses are gathering.

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(no subject) - [info]cyan_aura, 2010-11-04 07:35 pm UTC

[info]overlord_mordax
2010-11-04 07:37 pm UTC (link)
This is amazing, and it looks like its only going to get more so.

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