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Sep (lord of all I survey) ([info]sepiamagpie) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-11-24 14:05:00


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Entry tags:language, mods (not ours)

I'm so angry I'm gonna do my job! Maybe.
This is pretty contained, because the person doing it (wisely?) cut off all modes of response from anyone. I'm not a community member, I had enough of French back when I was in immersion school.

The community: Learn_French@Livejournal

The posts featured: Post #1 and Post #2

The Person: Danaseilhan, full of Daffy Duck rage.

This is kind of a what not to do if you fuck up modding so much people decide to report you delinquent.



MAINTAINER NOTICE: Je suis très désolé
From the 15th of October to Halloween I was on the road. You will note that is a two-week period.

Week 1, I was in rural southwest Louisiana with no Internet connection. I could sometimes get on Facebook with my smartphone, when I could pick up a cell signal at all. Yes, there are still areas of the United States where that is the case, so you in the back with the smart mouth, shut up.

Week 2, I was down with a nasty cold from which, it would seem, I am still recovering. In fact I'm about ready to go to the doctor to see if I'm one of those unfortunate victims of the pertussis epidemic, despite having gotten a booster late September or early October, if I have another coughing fit after I go to bed tonight. In any case, all I could do was sit around the house of the people I was visiting and swear frequently and at length because my computer kept dropping its Internet connection.

I remember getting ONE EMAIL about a troll in some community or other that I maintain, and I think it was this one. ONE EMAIL. I said to myself, "I'll take care of it when I get a better connection."

Then I forgot.

I mean, it's not like anything was going on or anything.

Just the same, I apologize for forgetting. I am usually a lot better about responding when I get reports, even if they are through unusual channels. If there are any old-timers left here, ask them--we don't get a lot of crap here in the first place, but when we get it, and I see or hear about it, I deal with it. I dropped the ball this time and I feel really stupid about that.

Nevertheless...

Got the email from LJ Abuse within the past couple hours or so. Yes, I am continuing maintainership. Yes, I let them know of that fact. And I am continuing out of pure spite at this point.

And I will give you two guesses why that is.

First guess: Go to the community profile page and read every word there.

Second guess: Go to my LJ and read the one post that is available there. Then check to see if you have the ability to comment. Don't actually do it, because I will report you for spam--just check.

Now, I trust, you get it.

I'm supremely aggravated right now and will express my feelings no further than that, because this post is drama-mongering enough. Allow me to apologize again for that.

But I won't apologize for being supremely aggravated.

And if you're smart, you folks who ran crying to LJ Abuse won't apologize either. You will instead act as if absolutely nothing has happened, and next time we get a troll, you will follow community procedure for reporting them. And I will get more than one report on the same troll from individuals with an innate sense of responsibility towards a community from which they have derived considerable benefit at no expense whatsoever.

I don't tolerate parasites. You shouldn't either.




Kind of reasonable. I mean, she was just gone two weeks! That's no reason to report someone to lj abus--- hey, why is her community full of spam posts that are still up? Here's one. Everytime you see that icon, do not click any of the links.

So, I go to look at her journal like she suggested. I'm obedient like that.




edited 24 Nov '10:

Previously I had a notice here about being willing to hand over my communities to anyone who wanted to run them.

I now rescind that notice.

I take great offense at being reported to LJ Abuse for the actions of another person which I neither approved nor condoned. There are procedures in place for reporting a troll if that's what needs to be done. Anyone who can take thirty seconds of their busy day to post in one of my communities can take thirty damn more seconds and read the community info page. All LJ communities have rules, spoken or unspoken. Mine are no exception, and my rules are very clearly spelled out. Your inability to follow those rules has nada to do with my ability to maintain my communities fairly.

The reason I am not signing over any of my communities is I don't know who reported me. I do know it was multiple people. I was on vacation the latter half of October in the Deep South for two weeks, one in which I had no Internet connectivity at all and the other in which I had barely any, and not much ability to do my maintainer duties. I don't feel a need to notify my communities every time I have a shit. You guys so rarely suffer problems with trolls that you ever bother telling me about so I don't worry about it most of the time. So to have multiple people go tattling on me like a bunch of little kids was well beyond the pale.

That's why you're stuck with me. Sucks to be you. All you had to do was follow procedure and report the troll and we wouldn't have come to this pass.

Even the one person who emailed me--ONE PERSON--did not follow procedure. The reason this is a PROBLEM is that I get a lot of spam in my email, it's an older address and I've signed up for way too many lists and what-not over the years and had it traded around as a result. Those of you who are older than, say, five, ought to know what I'm talking about. (OK, maybe not. I just asked my six-year-old, and she looked at me like I was nuts. Just kidding. I'm exaggerating slightly.) THAT is why I want people reported through COMMENTS. Because it is VERY EASY for me to go back, look at the post and see the comments. WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Do you get it now? You better, because I've had to delete two emails since I posted up what I did in [info]learn_french and the only reason those people are not banned is I didn't feel arsed to go into community settings just now. Besides, it might have been nice emails. I realize I'm being way too generous here, I know LJers too damn well to really believe that.

They're the only ones who get the free ride. And being that LJ Abuse is so nicely responsive now--kudos to them, this has got to be a first--I will be ecstatic to report anyone else who harasses me. (Sep note: Italics hers)

Stick to protocol. Do what I ask of you. I have good reasons for asking. Like it or not, sometimes there are rules in life and you have to follow them. If you can't cope with that in a community that nobody made you join, I shudder to think how the rest of your life is going to go.

Ta.

P.S. Comments from non-friends are now blocked.


Okay. So. Let's review her modding.

1. Spam-filled community. Date checking reveals that spam pre-dates her vacation.
2. Angry screed about spiting the haters, along with rule reminder that amounts to: "I was unreachable. WHY DIDN'T YOU CONTACT ME?"
3. Cuts off all modes of communication (do not comment to her journal if you can, she will report you for spam, emails sent are deleted without reading)
4. This is just a rumour, but apparently she feasts on the flesh of newly born infant boys? Take what you will from that.

What confuses me about all this is, isn't French the language of love? Why all this anger? All this... hurt?

EDIT: Breaking news from our reporter [info]julian_black. Apparently she has a history, featuring such accomplishments as a Ginmar/Atanielle defending anti-fandom_wank community, as well as an intriguing theory as to why learn_french is full of spam:

She does not, in fact, speak French and has not realized the truth of those posts. Quelle surprise. Sorry, it was a bit of a surprise, I just wanted to toss some French in there. Spirit of things.

Plus, the origins of Rule Number 4, to whit: What happens in Learn_French, stays in Learn_French/Don't you mention our fuckups anywhere.

EDIT THE SECOND: She's been on otf_wank before, it turns out. I thought I'd found a new one :(

THIRD ETA: Comm's deleted. Read about her last post in here, courtesy of Dreamworld. Her words on the subject after deletion:

Don't bother contacting me to ask why [info]learn_french is gone. I'll offer a brief explanation and that's all you're getting:

1. Assholes running crying to LJ Abuse about me not being a good maintainer because after six years of 90 percent good community experience on your part and 9 percent troll-stomping on my part, I didn't respond quickly enough for your tastes for the 1 percent trolling I missed.

The sad part is, I believe I am overestimating the amount of troll-stomping I had to do.

2. My email acting up when I tried to notify LJ Abuse that I wanted to keep LF. I feared that if my email continued to be delayed that they'd just hand it over to one of the aforementioned assholes. I am a strong believer in NOT rewarding assholery. I don't know what Multiple Whoevers' problems were with me and I don't want to know.

They didn't get what they wanted.

Unfortunately over 1000 other people got punished along with them.

And you know what? It is not like I was getting paid for the job. I wonder how many of you have a 90 percent success rate, or better, at your jobs where you do get paid.

Something to think about as you're submitting me to the latest popular mock-the-drama community. Then again, likely most of you aren't employed after all, which is why you're there to begin with.

'Nuff said. Or as they say in the South, from whence I hail, "Fuck all y'all."

Note: If it starts in the other communities I maintain, they will go away too. I won't even wait to hear from LJ Abuse. Guess what? Life's not fair. At least you're not Haitian.



LATER STILL:

I love you too, LJ Abuse
So, both messages that I sent to LJ Abuse about [info]learn_french were returned to me a couple days ago, undelivered. I wonder what the point is of them asking you for a reply when your reply won't go through in the first place. Sad part is, I sent 'em from the email account I've been using with LJ for years and years. Not like I was a stranger, as it were. (Hyperbolically speaking.)

Amazing how shit works when somebody wants to gang up on me but not when I want to stand up for myself... ain't that always the way?

FWIW, just a followup and all that. If you need a LJ community to teach you a foreign language, anyway, you got bigger problems than whether I'm a drama queen.


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[info]dreamworld
2010-11-25 07:36 pm UTC (link)
She's posted an update today. Still wanky. Apparently the people who alterted LJ abuse are backstabbers. And yet, the spam posts are still on the comm. But she doesn't have time to deal with any of that now.

Except she had time to leave a new screed.

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[info]puipui
2010-11-25 08:33 pm UTC (link)
I can't help but think that scrolling a few pages back in her own comm and deleting some obvious spam posts, including that one a few pages back that appears to be in Russian, would've taken way less time and energy than typing out all these angry screeds insulting the members of her comm. She doesn't even seem to understand the problem; she keeps talking about how she's always taken care of trolls when she's known about them, but there's all this obvious spam in her comm that she's done nothing about. That's just amazing. Not as amazing as her threat to delete the comm, but still, amazing.

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[info]feenix
2010-11-25 08:40 pm UTC (link)
"I'm sorry for being a bitch. Except I totally meant every single word of it, you fucking whores."

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[info]phosfate
2010-11-25 10:20 pm UTC (link)
"Deleted journal"? Also, the comm seems to be gone as well.

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[info]dreamworld
2010-11-25 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Didn't screen-cap, but I saved the text for prosperity:

I'd like to offer a further apology for my post yesterday. I was angry, and I tend to get drama-queeny when I am angry, as some of you have had opportunity to witness in the past six years.

Unfortunately I'm not that good at editing out the drama-queeny, and I meant every word I said.

Also, I have had further developments that may affect the future of this community, Real Soon Now.

I got notification from my hosting service a little while ago that I've had an SMTP error, which means my response email to LJ Abuse will be delayed another 24 hours. I don't know what kind of deadline I'm looking at before maintainership gets handed over to whoever else. I emailed them again, and asked them to please respond so I will know they got it.

I'm giving them til 5pm and if I don't hear anything, this community will be deleted. It is now 2:33pm my time zone.

I am only warning you because 1000+ of you have managed to participate in this community for the past six years without trolling, drama, or politics. I appreciate every one of you and I'm glad you got some use out of this community. I hope you have enjoyed your time here.

But I will be taking this step because I can't imagine LJ Abuse will just hand over the community to any old body. Like as not, they'll hand it over to one of my little backstabbers. Who are probably new here, weren't aware that this community is six years old and don't give a fig that in all that time, when I have been aware of trolls causing problems here, I have taken care of every single one I've been aware of. And who didn't know or didn't care that I've had a procedure in place for probably over a year now for community members to report violations of the community rules. Which have also been spelled out, for at least as long.

If you don't like the way a community is run, start your own. If you're too lazy to start your own, get the hell off the Internet and go chase parked cars. Don't come into another community and start playing pointless power games.

I say this because in recent years, LJ Abuse has become quite responsive. I'm pleasantly surprised. You LJ veterans out there know exactly what I'm talking about, and you're nodding and smiling along. So I know that all those reports about me have been made within the past week. The email I received about the recent troll happened about a month ago.

I don't know who's got a stick up their butt, and I don't want to know. I don't know what made you decide now to start this garbage when it would have been more appropriate a month ago, and I don't want to know that either.

All I know is it's uncalled for. And stupid to boot. Especially when you forget who's got their finger on the Big Red Button.

So I hope you're happy. I'm sure you're ecstatic, since I have no way of knowing who you are and cannot get over 2000 people as angry at you as they will be at me.

And I'm still throwing you a freebie because I won't be looking at this community over the next two and a half hours, and if you feel moved to start your own learning-French community and invite people, and I wind up deleting this community, I won't ever see it.

But if I were you I'd consider my next move before I made it, because if I do hear from them by 5pm my time, I will look. And... maintainership will commence. And not in your favor.

I don't want to get any emails, comments, or other nonsense about this. I suppose I'll be apologizing for this post later. But I figure the chances of that are roughly the chances of the sun coming out at any point today. Even the weather is being a troll lately, it would seem. Oh well.

Happy freaking Turkey Day.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2010-11-25 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Such a character!

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-11-26 06:47 pm UTC (link)
If I hear one more word, I will turn this community around, so help me!
(And drive it over a cliff.)

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[info]issendai
2010-11-27 05:01 am UTC (link)
This poor sweet baby doll is precious.

Tell me again, how does someone get to be ~*~the awesomest mod evar for millions and millions of years~*~ without knowing the difference between a troll and a spammer?

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