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Hexnut ([info]tunxeh) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-12-04 15:54:00


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#AAAFail
War between anthropology-as-science and anthropology-as-literary-theory continues, news at 11.

The short version: Anthropology has long been split between people who consider themselves scientists (they are using falsifiable hypotheses and empirical data to learn facts about how people behave) and people who feel that postmodern literary theory is a better way to approach the subject in a way that is conscious of one's own cultural biases. The scientists call the literary theorists "fluff-heads" while the literary theorists call the scientists as shallow as pro wrestlers. The American Anthropological Association (generally considered to be on the anthropology-as-literary-theory side of the fence, but still playing an important role in the rest of anthropology as the host of the annual academic-job-seeking process) recently amended their mission statement in the anti-science direction. Or rather, they wrote a new "long-range plan" that differs from their previous mission statement in the important sense that it can be approved by the executive committee without an actual vote of the membership.

As some Iain M. Banks fan writes: "I thought it was pretty telling that the AAA's move was not to make the statement more inclusive or add language clarifying that nonscientific inquiry was also valued. It was just to delete science."

There's a lot of self-important posturing and other forms of wanking on all sides, on the blogs and (of course) on twitter. This post has quite a few more good links.

Disclaimer: anthropology was my worst subject in college, and I haven't paid much attention to it since. I know which side of this debate I'd stand on, but I'm woefully underinformed.



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[info]keri
2010-12-05 03:34 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I really regret being 19 and stupid. :(

When I went off to university, I decided to major in linguistics, because I didn't realize that you could specialize in folklore, or exactly how broad the field is (I knew it was more than just stories, but only a vague idea of the definition). And then the college I went to was a hippy art school and no linguistics...but they did have Classics, and studying Greek and Latin and junk appealed to me. But I quit that school, came home, and the new uni didn't have Classics or linguistics, the anthro program seemed to be focused on archaeology and I didn't want to do that, and I wondered if maybe I shouldn't just do English since it'd maybe let me play with language and stories. That and everyone said "you read so much, you write so well, you should major in English!"

I was very seriously considering going to grad school for folklore, but I didn't see a very promising career path, except academics, with a master's in the field, and I don't want to be an academic. So I'm about to fail out of library school instead! (I'm not capable of online programs, it seems.) (Also, I was going to do a concentration in archives, because my second dream job is working in a historical archive/museum.)

Poor, poor, silly me. I am perpetually suck at making the right choices for the future.

(I also wish I could go back and get a new undergraduate degree, but that just seems like it's so unfeasible, with the money needed, and having to move to a city with a school that actually has the program. Plus, I've been at university for 8 years, I'm ready for a break.)

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[info]mad_teacup
2010-12-05 05:15 am UTC (link)
Are you me?

Because seriously I know exactly what you mean.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-12-05 05:16 am UTC (link)
If it helps, I'm trying to get into vet tech school...after pissing around for a decade, and only managing to get a AS in Psych JUST so I'd have a degree after this long. I figured out pretty early that I didn't like people enough to actually want to help them and being a middle aged teen therapist is just redundant.

I decidedly don't feel 29 because of the wrong degree and people telling me to change so often.

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[info]chaos_theory
2010-12-05 05:31 am UTC (link)
Anthropology is not one of those things that if you didn't do it as an undergraduate, you're sunk. My BA is in English, and I'm working on my phd in Anthro now. There's actually a lot of overlaps between English and anthro and many graduate programs like having students with diverse backgrounds. In the programs I've been in, we have had people with degrees in classics, history, journalism, biology, english, art, pre-law, pre-med, etc.

There are, however, very very few jobs outside of academia (and even then very few), and you'll need more than a Masters. they'll also generally be poorly paid and the degree will take you years and years.

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[info]sgaana
2010-12-05 11:40 pm UTC (link)
I would say that even if you were considering getting a folklore masters, there are plenty of things to do with it rather than academia. (I would tend to agree that, why spend all that time and money getting a phd if you're not wanting to be in academia. Although... well... I do know any number of people who have phds in various humanities disciplines, but who gave up on trying to get one of the rare jobs in academia, and they have found that even though their phd is not in something that is related to what they are doing now -- such as an English doctorate when they are working in high-level computer support -- just *having* a doctoral degree means that they will be paid more than someone without one, and they can apply for some non-academic jobs that still look favorably on those who have phds, of any kind.)

Getting back to the idea of a folklore degree... I can only speak to the experience of our program's undergrads, with their bachelors degrees in folklore, but... they find they can turn that into a lot of different careers, and I somehow think that would be the same thing for a masters degree. Aside from the ones who go on to law or med school, a large number of our graduates go on to become writers, journalists, filmmakers, advertisers, and educators. Since folklore is the study of shared culture, of storytelling, and of what's important to people on an almost "hidden" cultural level (i.e. the body of folklore of a culture is often -- esp. in the U.S. -- not accorded the same respect as "of cultural importance" as the more obvious categories of religion, "high" art, literature, and so on. But people are deeply attached to their culture's folklore, and once you learn to identify it and study it, you have a key to ways they create community and define themselves to each other, and to what pushes their buttons. So you can imagine how that might come in handy to an advertiser, say, or any kind of writer.

Sorry to witter on! But, also don't give up thinking that it's "too late" in your life to start something new. Although, I hear you that the biggest problem is the economic burden. Being older, or even having tried other career paths, doesn't mean you can't up and figure out another one later. The key is figuring out how to make it possible in your life to do that.

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