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Hexnut ([info]tunxeh) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2010-12-04 15:54:00


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Entry tags:academia

#AAAFail
War between anthropology-as-science and anthropology-as-literary-theory continues, news at 11.

The short version: Anthropology has long been split between people who consider themselves scientists (they are using falsifiable hypotheses and empirical data to learn facts about how people behave) and people who feel that postmodern literary theory is a better way to approach the subject in a way that is conscious of one's own cultural biases. The scientists call the literary theorists "fluff-heads" while the literary theorists call the scientists as shallow as pro wrestlers. The American Anthropological Association (generally considered to be on the anthropology-as-literary-theory side of the fence, but still playing an important role in the rest of anthropology as the host of the annual academic-job-seeking process) recently amended their mission statement in the anti-science direction. Or rather, they wrote a new "long-range plan" that differs from their previous mission statement in the important sense that it can be approved by the executive committee without an actual vote of the membership.

As some Iain M. Banks fan writes: "I thought it was pretty telling that the AAA's move was not to make the statement more inclusive or add language clarifying that nonscientific inquiry was also valued. It was just to delete science."

There's a lot of self-important posturing and other forms of wanking on all sides, on the blogs and (of course) on twitter. This post has quite a few more good links.

Disclaimer: anthropology was my worst subject in college, and I haven't paid much attention to it since. I know which side of this debate I'd stand on, but I'm woefully underinformed.



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[info]wyf_of_bathe
2010-12-05 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Gah. I hate this. I have a BA in physical anthropology, and am pursuing my master's. The focus of my education has been primate skeletal biology, and I hope to specialize in bone pathologies. And that's... not science?

This reminds me of a furious debate I had once with a young physics student who told me anthropology is not a science. Her mistake was in assuming that cultural anthropology speaks for all divisions of anthropology. Apparently, the AAA makes the same mistake. Anthropology is not limited to studies of culture. Otherwise, I wouldn't have my degree.

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[info]tunxeh
2010-12-05 07:39 pm UTC (link)
From my outside perspective, it seems difficult to call it a mistake on their part. More of a deliberate snub.

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[info]wyf_of_bathe
2010-12-06 05:03 am UTC (link)
Well, yes. That's probably true, lol.

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[info]coffee_mug
2010-12-05 07:40 pm UTC (link)
I've studied Cultural Anthro in a European university and one of our prof's told us in the US, Anthropology takes in four fields of Anthropology - so you can specialize in Cultural Anthro, Physical Anthro, Linguistic Anthro and er ..there was something else. Social Anthro? Which is closely related to Cultural Anthro if I know anything about the field.

So it's a field that combines hard science with softer science. Quantative with the qualitative.

I love Cultural Anthro but it is a shame that people don't understand the variety in the field. I mean, Brennan from Bones is a forensic anthropologist! She's about as science as it gets (I forget the author lady who writes the books she's based on, but I think she's a physical anthropologist as well).

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[info]loraineee
2010-12-05 07:56 pm UTC (link)
The fourth field is archaeology. Which is not part of anthropology in Europe and tends to confuse people.

I'm a first year Ph.D. student in cultural anthropology at a four field program and I'm not quite sure why people are so up in arms about the wording change. The AAA isn't saying there isn't room for science in anthropology or even that the scientific method isn't used; just that the field is broader than that and can encompass other forms of knowledge as well.

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[info]magnolia_mama
2010-12-05 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I believe Archaeology is the 4th field in Anthropology.

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[info]irradiated
2010-12-05 07:57 pm UTC (link)
The fourth in the US is usually Archaeology. Although, at some schools Archaeology or Linguistics become large enough to separate into their own departments.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-12-05 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Because forensic anthropology is totally non scientific, as we all know. And I don't mean Bones kind. I mean the real part of physical anthro.

I had a lot of investigation on majors before I finally decided to woman up and chose the field I wanted. Also included was history and Classical studies.

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[info]major_fischer
2010-12-06 01:12 am UTC (link)
As was pointed out to me today, medical schools are often in need of physical anthropologists to teach anatomy. For structural reasons having to do with funding, you can't get NIH grants to do anatomy study and medical schools either hire in a physical anthropologist on a per diem basis to teach those corses. Or they have a really old guy who just teaches anatomy and the school's administration is always worried he'll die soon.

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[info]warrioreowyn
2010-12-06 02:23 am UTC (link)
If your focus is primate skeletal biology, why is your degree in anthropology rather than biology? That sounds a lot more like biology to me.

Sorry for being clueless; I suppose I've always thought of anthropology as the study of how humans societies have developed and interacted with each other and the world around them, which seems like more of a social sciences/humanities topic.

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[info]witty
2010-12-06 02:50 am UTC (link)
I suspect that primate skeletal biology is basically tantamount to studying human precursors/early cousins, i.e. australopithecines and the like. That's striaght-down-the-middle anthropology, and biologists only get involved as specialty consultants.

Things anthropologists might need to know, addition to anatomy: the chemistry of clay pots (archaeology); the metallurgy of swords or armor or jewelry (also archae); the speciation of grasses in baskets (archae, cultural anthro); climatology and geology (archae, cultural anthro, social anthro); mathematical formulas for language-change over time (linguistics, cultural anthro); brain structure and neurochemistry (linguistics); and so forth.

Sure, there are parts of anthropology that are obviously humanities-oriented; but the sciencey stuff is pretty front and center too. The fact that these differing flavors of anthro cannot live and let live is... probably inevitable and inevitably irritating.

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[info]warrioreowyn
2010-12-06 04:22 am UTC (link)
Thank you - that's fascinating. Especially the mathematical formulae for linguistic change - I would have thought human behaviour was too variable and unpredictable to be modeled in that way.

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[info]wyf_of_bathe
2010-12-06 04:56 am UTC (link)
Agreement with witty up there, and just to specify, physical anthropology is often called biological anthropology. I was required to study biology for my degree, and I studied extant primates in addition to fossil ones. I wasn't much for the study of human evolution; I analyzed the bones/fossils themselves.

At my university, primatology was categorized under anthropology, and much of my time was spent studying non-human primates and their bones. My big final research project was on the skeletal components of brachiation (a method of locomotion; basically, the ability to suspend oneself with one's arms above one's head) in non-human primates and the possible evolutionary benefits thereof. That's my very favorite thing in the whole world.

So yeah. Science!

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[info]chibikaijuu
2010-12-07 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Things are cross-disciplinary like that.

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[info]waitwut
2010-12-07 03:18 am UTC (link)
I always think that the four-field anthropology departments cover all bases (which means, to me, humanities, social sciences, and the hard sciences). It makes it REALLY hard to define and I'm in an environment where things are driven by the socio-cultural anthropologists. They, of course, are not the ones bringing the money in, though!

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