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Hannahleh ([info]nifflet) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2011-04-21 19:57:00


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Entry tags:food, reviews

Wanky BNF: RL Version
Small, but it just goes to show that creator entitlement and pomposity extends far beyond fandom.

Background: Sylvia's Enchilada Kitchen is a Mexican restaurant in Houston that gets critically lauded at every turn. Also, the Houston Chronicle runs a newspaper segment where people can air their grievances against a restaurant wherein they had a bad experience. Also also, the owner/operator of Sylvia's can't take criticism.

Hilarity ensues. (WARNING: There's some race!fail in the comments, so read at your own risk.)

Thank you for the opportunity to respond to Ms. Griffin’s letter.

First, I would like to say that I am sorry Ms. Griffin was unsatisfied with any of the menu items she was served during her recent lunch at my restaurant.

Unfortunately, from time to time we do have a guest that dines with us who feels our food does meet their expectations. Throughout my 35 years in the food business, from research and development as a food scientist, to sales and marketing for a national food company, to owning a three restaurants and a food truck, I have concluded that food is very subjective, and it is impossible to please every single guest that we serve.

I worked tirelessly on each of my recipes to create the most authentic flavors possible. I use only the highest quality of the freshest ingredients available to create each dish that we serve. Through years of interacting with our customers, I have concluded that our most loyal customers are those with roots in South Texas, people of Mexican decent, and those that are knowledgeable about food. Our customer base is comprised of people that drive from all across our great city to dine with us.

In reference to some of the points made in Ms. Griffin’s letter:

1.) We do not and have never cooked with lard.

2.) Our complimentary salsa is served warm because it is freshly cooked with plenty of fresh herbs and spices, and we only use fresh tomatoes in the recipe. We do not use canned tomatoes. Our salsa is a favorite of our customers and is “medium heat,” which is what the vast majority of our customers prefer. We do offer a fresh habanero salsa for those customers who want more heat in their salsa, and it is available on request.

3.) Our chile con queso is described as cheesy and creamy, not spicy. It is a recipe that was recently selected as one of the top three chile con quesos in Houston, and our customers love it so much they buy it by the quart!

4.) Our chile rellenos are made fresh to order and have a light batter. Additionally, the recipe was never intended to be crispy nor does the menu describe the batter as crispy.

5.) The day of the week Ms, Griffin dined with us was a Tuesday, which is normally our slowest day of the week, yet we had a full restaurant at 11:30 am. By the time she placed her order at 12:40 p.m., the lunch rush was ending and that is the reason for the less than a full dining room.

6.) Her dining companions ordered the Mission Enchiladas, ... and the Encino ... . Our cheese enchiladas, with my signature chile gravy was selected by Texas Monthly as one of the ‘Top Ten Iconic Foods of Texas’ in its April 2011 issue, so both dishes had the same chile gravy, so of course “everything tasted the same.”

As a restaurant owner and chef, I have dedicated my life, as well as all my energy, passion and thought to providing the highest quality of food available to my customers.


It's...it's so beautiful. And rude. And incredibly condescending. Too bad us Houstonians are so deprived of Mexican food that we don't know quality when we eat it.



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[info]the__ivorytower
2011-04-22 01:40 am UTC (link)
I feel like I'm only reading half the story, some of the things Sylvia's responded to aren't even in the original complaint.

I'm so confused.

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[info]amadi
2011-04-22 02:46 am UTC (link)
It seems like she pulled the customer's bill, probably because she used a credit card, to see what she ordered and when she was there.

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(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2011-04-22 02:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amadi, 2011-04-22 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bienegold, 2011-04-22 02:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]feenix, 2011-04-22 11:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amadi, 2011-04-22 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]feenix, 2011-04-22 04:24 pm UTC

[info]chienne
2011-04-22 04:31 am UTC (link)
Our chile con queso is described as cheesy and creamy, not spicy

Are those traits supposed to be mutually exclusive or something? LAWL.

Damn. Now I want chile rellenos.

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[info]sorchar
2011-04-22 04:37 am UTC (link)
Yep, you either get the stuff that's cheesy and creamy, or you get a giant bowl of pulverized Naga Vipers. There is no compromise.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2011-04-23 01:18 am UTC

[info]indis_earfalas
2011-04-22 04:47 am UTC (link)
Eh, clearly I'm having a really off day, 'cause I can't see overly much wrong with the response. Yeah, it's overly wordy, and a bit defensive ... and I sure wouldn't have bothered at all, but yeah.

Then again, *most* of the restaurant owners and chefs I know are arrogant as hell (I say that with love, btw) and take themselves way seriously.

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[info]visp
2011-04-22 04:58 am UTC (link)
*nods* There's no real personal attacks, and she does seem to keep everything civil and on topic. Poster needs to add some bitchy comments, if there are any.

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(no subject) - [info]visp, 2011-04-22 05:01 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]visp, 2011-04-22 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2011-04-22 07:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2011-04-22 04:39 pm UTC

[info]also_not_a_pipe
2011-04-22 05:06 am UTC (link)
I agree. She's maybe a little snippy, but it looks to me like she's mostly just setting the facts straight and not being any more personal than the original reviewer was. I mean, what kind of criticism is "the restaurant wasn't very full"?

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-04-22 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2011-04-22 02:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2011-04-22 04:31 pm UTC

[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-04-22 05:28 am UTC (link)
Same. Buh?

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[info]rosehiptea
2011-04-22 06:17 pm UTC (link)
That's my reaction to it too. I mean, there's a bit of "it isn't for you," implied but overall it doesn't look like an invitation to restaurant wank.

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(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2011-04-23 12:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-23 12:47 am UTC

[info]m_butterfly
2011-04-23 06:30 am UTC (link)
I don't know. I think the there's something pretty wanky in that she pulled the customer's credit card bill and proceeded to publicly go through it menu item by menu item, defending against criticisms that weren't even offered. Plus everything I've ever learned about the food industry states the standard response to customer criticism is apologizing and offering to comp the meal; you earn more in goodwill and positive publicity than the cost of the comp, and it does more for you a public dressing-down of the customer for just not appreciating what they were given. Now, privately is another matter. (Your waitress probably hates you, but if your waitress is smart, she only complains to the other staff in the kitchen.)

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[info]vzg
2011-05-25 07:06 am UTC (link)
I thought that at first, but some of it is kind of "WE ARE VOTED THE BEST SO CLEARLY IT IS YOU THAT HAS THE PROBLEM."

Though I don't understand why she pointed out that the restaurant was only twenty percent full? People are mentioning her saying it took a long time for the food to come out but I'm not seeing that in the link up there.

Although really, she is significantly less wanky than most of what we see. And I know the customer is always right and blah de blah, but this response probably wouldn't make it one of my "NEVER GOING THERE EVER" places.

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[info]lilychan
2011-04-22 05:37 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I saw the name Sylvia and I thought it was about my mom (she does get quite intense on pogo.com...) but thankfully it wasn't.

And lol wow.

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[info]come_love_sleep
2011-04-22 06:12 am UTC (link)
Hahaha, a few years back there was a F_W writeup all about my estranged younger sister. There was that momentary "aww, fuck!" and it just got worse, rather than being instantly alleviated as yours was...

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(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2011-04-22 03:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilychan, 2011-04-23 01:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2011-04-23 04:40 am UTC

[info]wook77
2011-04-22 05:42 am UTC (link)
Through years of interacting with our customers, I have concluded that our most loyal customers are those with roots in South Texas, people of Mexican decent, and those that are knowledgeable about food.

LOL So people that don't like her food cannot be knowledgeable about food? You don't know food like she knows food!

Nice sideways swipe at people that don't like the food.

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[info]mcity
2011-04-24 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Mathmatically, they're saying that those are intersect sets with "our most loyal customers". I mean, it's not like everyone "with roots in South Texas" is one of their loyal customers, nor is every single person of Mexican descent beating down their door.

Practically, however, it does kinda come off as a swipe, and could've been phrased better.

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[info]keri
2011-04-22 06:27 am UTC (link)
On the surface, not terribly wanky, until you read the original and realize how completely arrogant Sylvia was being, and also bad customer service.

It reminds me of the other night when my family were at a fancy restaurant and my dad's prime rib came out almost red at the edge where he cut in, despite ordering it medium-well (faint pink in the middle). Seeing as it was a fairly expensive cut of meat, he sent it back, only to be scolded by the manager when she brought it out "you just don't know what the words mean, this is how we do medium well here". Yeah, right. (Amusingly, my brother is the floor manager of the restaurant's other location in town, but she didn't recognize him, and he was the one who told my dad to send it back.)

You just don't give good customer service by telling your customer that she's wrong about her food preferences. I mean, really.

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[info]eleutheria
2011-04-23 12:49 am UTC (link)
If a restaurant is going to cook steak in a non-standard way (or if you know your area cooks it differently than others), it needs to say so in the menu.

My favorite NoVA restaurant does-- it tends to be on the rare side, so it has a handy guide to what the words mean there (along with "well done- order chicken", which always amuses me), and it's the one place that has never managed to fuck up my steak.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2011-04-23 01:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2011-04-23 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2011-04-25 01:00 pm UTC

[info]rachelmap
2011-04-23 01:39 am UTC (link)
Christ on a Pogo Stick, one should not have to bring color pictures and internal temperature specs of how one wants one's meat done to a fecking restaurant.

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2011-04-23 06:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2011-04-24 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2011-05-25 07:18 am UTC

[info]ekaterinv
2011-04-22 06:37 am UTC (link)
I think the "customer review" here by Itsmydinnerfri is by Sylvia: http://www.29-95.com/restaurants/sylvias-enchilada-kitchen

They use the "people have to remember that food is subjective" line. Pretty wanky, imo.

so both dishes had the same chile gravy, so of course “everything tasted the same

That really doesn't follow.

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(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2011-04-22 11:20 am UTC

[info]blue_penguin
2011-04-22 08:18 am UTC (link)
... man, now I really want Mexican food. Too bad I can't get it here.

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-22 06:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2011-04-23 01:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-23 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2011-04-24 06:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2011-04-23 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-23 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aaron_agonistes, 2011-04-22 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2011-04-22 07:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2011-04-22 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schrodingerscat, 2011-04-22 10:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2011-04-23 03:15 am UTC
Enchilada Casserole - [info]librarianmouse, 2011-04-23 05:49 am UTC
Re: Enchilada Casserole - [info]ekaterinv, 2011-04-26 06:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-23 08:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2011-04-24 04:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-24 03:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2011-04-24 02:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2011-04-26 06:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2011-04-24 02:08 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2011-04-24 06:55 pm UTC

[info]sandglass
2011-04-22 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Wow, comparing the actual complaints to the rebuttal is a great example of wow, missing the point.

Review: Our food tasted like it had been cooked in old pork lard.
Sylvia: 1.) We do not and have never cooked with lard.

Review: The salsa was like warmed-up tomato sauce, and the $8 queso was bland.
Sylvia: 1.) Our complimentary salsa is served warm because it is freshly cooked with plenty of fresh herbs and spices, and we only use fresh tomatoes in the recipe. We do not use canned tomatoes....Our chile con queso is described as cheesy and creamy, not spicy.

Review: I ordered the chili rellenos. The menu said please expect a longer wait as they are prepared fresh per order. They came out soggy and tasted like nothing I have ever had. I can’t explain how bad they were.
Sylvia: Our chile rellenos are made fresh to order and have a light batter. Additionally, the recipe was never intended to be crispy nor does the menu describe the batter as crispy.

I wonder what it would have been like if they'd complained in person. Psst, Sylvia, when a customer complains you're supposed to give them a free dessert or something, not imply that they can't read the menu.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-04-23 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2011-04-23 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2011-04-23 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]munchkinott, 2011-04-23 06:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-04-24 03:47 pm UTC
native Houstonian here
[info]stellabymoor
2011-04-23 02:48 am UTC (link)
huh. I've been to Sylvia's. not all that impressive, seeing as Houston has fifteen bajillion Mexican/Tex-Mex restaurants.

and what kind of Mexican food place doesn't use lard?

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Re: native Houstonian here - [info]quinctia, 2011-04-23 06:50 am UTC

[info]tehrin
2011-04-24 06:04 am UTC (link)
I don't think I've ever been served warm salsa or heard of chile gravy. Maybe it's a Texan thing?

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(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2011-04-24 07:34 am UTC
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[info]singe
2011-04-24 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Bleah, I hate Mexican.

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