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Herongale (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} herongale) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} otf_wank, |
Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
Because people want to live in hope? Not everyone who wishes to lose weight has their desires dictated to them by a fat-shaming society.
But let's just set that aside for a moment. I brought out the anecdotal information because it appropriately illustrates what I think is a functional approach for people who wish to lose weight. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of the data that's out there, including the limitations on data.
You seem to be suggesting that for the vast majority of people, nothing works at all. But hell, even in the article you yourself site (the one from the scientificamerican website), it says that "regular exercise and moderate eating" DO work for long-term weight loss and maintenance.
So let me just be clear. What exactly are the conclusions you draw from the data you've read about? That it's hopeless for 97% to lose weight, and so they shouldn't even try-- not even in terms of "regular exercise and moderate eating?" And what do you think of people who want to lose weight-- do you think everyone who wants to lose weight is deluded and a victim of a fat-shaming culture? Do you think it's impossible for someone to have a legitimate reason to want to lose weight?
I'm sincerely asking you these things, because I seriously want to know. I know exactly how difficult it is for people to lose weight, and I would never blame anyone for not achieving success in their endeavors. Medical science is such that even when weight causes problems (e.g., strain on joints), there are solutions to those problems that don't require weight loss (e.g., pain management, physical therapy, and total joint replacement). Whether or not diabetes or hypertension are related to obesity, it doesn't have to especially matter, because blood pressure medications and anti-hyperglycemic agents exist. People who don't want to lose weight shouldn't feel pressured to do so, not to any degree. But is there something wrong with an individual wanting to lose weight for personal reasons that are not related to shame or self-hatred?
Because people want to live in hope? Not everyone who wishes to lose weight has their desires dictated to them by a fat-shaming society.
But let's just set that aside for a moment. I brought out the anecdotal information because it appropriately illustrates what I think is a functional approach for people who wish to lose weight. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of the data that's out there, including the limitations on data.
You seem to be suggesting that for the vast majority of people, nothing works at all. But hell, even in the article you yourself site (the one from the scientificamerican website), it says that "regular exercise and moderate eating" DO work for long-term weight loss and maintenance.
So let me just be clear. What exactly are the conclusions you draw from the data you've read about? That it's hopeless for 97% to lose weight, and so they shouldn't even try-- not even in terms of "regular exercise and moderate eating?" And what do you think of people who want to lose weight-- do you think everyone who wants to lose weight is deluded and a victim of a fat-shaming culture? Do you think it's impossible for someone to have a legitimate reason to want to lose weight?
I'm sincerely asking you these things, because I seriously want to know. I know exactly how difficult it is for people to lose weight, and I would never blame anyone for not achieving success in their endeavors. Medical science is such that even when weight causes problems (e.g., strain on joints), there are solutions to those problems that don't require weight loss (e.g., pain management, physical therapy, and total joint replacement). Whether or not diabetes or hypertension are related to obesity, it doesn't have to especially matter, because blood pressure medications and anti-hyperglycemic agents exist. People who don't want to lose weight shouldn't feel pressured to do so, not to any degree. But is there something wrong with an individual wanting to lose weight for personal reasons that are not related to shame or self-hatred?
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