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Wicked One ([info]visp) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2011-10-12 17:10:00


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Entry tags:defensiveness ahoy, food, it's not easy wanking green, let them eat cake, otf_wank's thoughts on weight

The Serious Side of Salad
Once upon a time, someone in facebook posted a "Why Geeks Make Better Boyfriends" list. Britney St. Patience felt the need to point out its inaccuracies. She prefaces it with "Sure there are geek guys out there who are great partners. But being a geek does not guarantee that a guy will be a great boyfriend."

It's a pretty standard 'Nice Guy' deconstruction.

The main highlights are:

Myth #3: Geeks are low maintenance
Supposedly geek guys make great boyfriends because they can subsist on pizza, Mt Dew, and your affection. Just wait until you meet one who will ONLY eat pizza and maybe 3-4 other foods, like some sort of overgrown five year old. It took me nearly a decade to get my computer programmer ex husband to eat salad. My Star Wars obsessed ex boyfriend could not be taken to nice restaurants because he refused to wear anything except ripped jeans and nerdy tees and would not eat anything he could not pronounce. LOW MAINTENANCE MY ASS.


and

Myth #6: Geeks appreciate women
This one is, by far, my favorite geek guy myth. The myth of the guy who spent all of high school playing D&D but secretly wanting someone to love and when he finally gets a girl he imprints on her and covers her in puppy-like devotion. OMG WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THIS SHIT? You know what really happens when guys don't get laid in high school or college and spend all their time reading coming books and filling their spank banks with Buffy the Vampire Slayer fanfic? They fill their little nerd brains with unrealistic expectations, waiting around for what one of my gamer friends calls a "magical pixie girl". An unattainably hot woman, who will love the nerd boy not in spite of his nerdiness but because of it and somehow his life will be transformed by her love. And he shall get a job. And he shall move out of his parents basement. And he shall cease to be whatever it is he dislikes about himself because the magical lady doth love him. But woe to any girl who does not live up to his fantasy. She will be treated with the same regard as yesterday's Mt Dew cans.


So, a little harsh, but all in all not a matter for anger, right? Wrong!


It gets posted to Metaquotes, and it starts to get weird.

First, the appetizer of rebuttals that only confirm the post.


The myth of the guy who spent all of high school playing D&D but secretly wanting someone to love and when he finally gets a girl he imprints on her and covers her in puppy-like devotion. OMG WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THIS SHIT?"


They get it from reality. That described me perfectly. It happened. It still happens. She completely ripped out my heart and shit in the hole eventually, and I got over this pattern... but it happens. That's where people get the idea.

The OP is demanding, high maintenance, dissatisfied with all the men out there... and yet continues to put herself into relationships with people SHE DOESN'T LIKE in some misguided attempt to make them into something she does like.

Of course it doesn't work, millions of people can tell you that (and probably did), and now she's bitter as a result of her mistakes, and is shifting the blame onto a large and diverse demographic that, in the aggregate, does NOT actually fit all the stereotypes she is perpetuating about them.


But then Candidgamera shows up and he Does. Not. Like. Salad.

If the girl I was dating was bizarrely fixated on me eating a salad, it wouldn't take me ten years to dump her sorry ass.

Making your husband eat a salad makes you a controlling harpy.

What follows is an extended debate over whether asking your spouse to eat salad is controlling, an act of deepest love for your dearest one, or something in between. Over salad.



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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]jaythenerdkid
2011-10-14 12:23 am UTC (link)
Please point to the place where I said that all people with "overweight" BMIs needed to lose weight, or indeed that this would make them healthier?

I was merely pointing out that there are, in fact, quantifiable conditions associated with an unhealthily high body weight.

To be honest, I don't care about anyone's body image issues. I think fatphobia and all that nonsense is stupid. I'm far more interested in how these patients present to me, and the comorbidities I have to deal with when they do.

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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]frequentmouse
2011-10-19 02:04 am UTC (link)
Everywhere I've ever seen any discussion of obesity, there's always an asshole MD who knows better than people who've actually read all the research and uses his superior medical god-hood extensive anectdotal evidence to reinforce his own lack of understanding of the issues refute people siting extensive studies, especially if they are female or certified RN MA dieticians. Sorry, I stopped listening to doctors like you when I "presented" with frank pneumonia and five degrees of fever and had one of your ilk tell me he wouldn't see me until I lost fifty pounds.

Unless you're the same jerk who says the same thing on metafilter, in which case there's one less of your evil little cabal.

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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]jaythenerdkid
2011-10-19 02:10 am UTC (link)
*her
*MBBS

Stop directing your anger at the jerks in your country's medical system at someone in a completely different country who operates under a completely different system, kthnx.

In rather the same way that not all men/women/white folks/black folks/straight people/gay people/religious people/atheists/transfolks/cisfolks are the same, not all doctors are the same. But, you know, you just keep on generalising if it makes you happy.

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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]frequentmouse
2011-10-19 04:05 am UTC (link)
You are not exactly making a convincing case that you're not an equivalent jerk- as a matter of fact, using the tone argument sealed the deal on that one.

MD doesn't equal good person; your words in this thread are all the proof anyone would need to see that you're a just smart kid without sufficient empathy to be a really goodhealer. Or at least it's going to take you a lot of time and critical, clear-eyed self examination to get there, and a whole lot of misery in the lives of the people you are supposed to help while you're trying to bully people into health.

Have you ever considered pathology?

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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]jaythenerdkid
2011-10-19 05:22 am UTC (link)
Telling you to stop getting mad at someone who never did anything to you is using the tone argument? Really?

You don't know a damn thing about me or why I got into medicine and you're making judgements about how good a doctor I'll be and whether or not I'm empathetic. Tone argument be damned; I don't have to take that bullshit from people I know in real life, and I certainly don't need to take it from people on the internet. You think I wouldn't help someone who was morbidly obese, or too poor to pay for my services, or was a gender/colour/creed society deems "undesireable"? You think I haven't helped such people already? You. Do. Not. Know. A. Damn. Thing. About. Me. You don't know why I do what I do, or even how I am with patients. You're just some person on the internet making judgements about my character, and you expect me to lie down and let you yell because you're mad at the world? Fuck that, and fuck you.

I'm going to be a paediatric psychiatrist, by the way. I'm passionate about mental health and I love kids. I guess you couldn't clairvoyantly deduce that based on my posts, huh?

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Re: Sorry for getting all unfunnybusiness...
[info]visp
2011-10-19 06:57 am UTC (link)
C'mon, This is starting to get wank in the otf_wank and crossing streams is never good.

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