aruru
2004-02-25 05:33 am UTC (link)

I think some of the links on your entry need fixin'.

And dude, if that first message board post is JUST the warm-up, I'm afraid to click the one where you said the wank explodes in. I mean, just the first paragraph was enough to get spooge in my eye:

Yeah... viewing it again now reveiled to me that it actually sucks and that I may want to take it down from my site as well - it's not like people need to see such worthless crap in a portfolio meant to attract employers. If I'm not even good enough to win all contests that I enter, I might as well consider writing plain text novels, at least there're no graphics to screw up and nothing to be embarrassed of.

Okay, why the hell do people think writing's any easier than visual art? Because almost everyone does casual amounts of it every day? PFFT... if ONLY it were that simple.

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	lessis 2004-02-26 06:33 am UTC (link)
	I know. I thought about pointing her to really bad peices of fanfic and then other to places where people mock the really bad fics. And then say "don't you think those people should be embarassed by the plain text peices of crap they spewed out" Just a thought. (Reply to this)(Parent)

shoiryu
2004-02-25 05:40 am UTC (link)

...counseling? You mean, going to a shrink? Only the inferior deranged GARBAGE of society goes there to lie on a couch and tell a perfect stranger that they're God...

Sounds like you fit the bill real well, you /inferior deranged piece of shit./

Pardon me. I don't appreciate being called "inferior deranged garbage of society" because I might be trying to work through my emotional problems.

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	aruru 2004-02-25 05:57 am UTC (link)
	WOAH. I JUST got to that part myself. ......can I bitchslap her? Please? For the sake of all those of us who're "troubled" in some way, but relatively asshattishness-free. (Self included.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-02-25 07:41 am UTC (link)
	I'll hold her you hit her. That work? Good to know that because I wanted to let go of my deep set anger, and build a working relationship with my mother I'm now 'scum'. Bitch please (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	musette 2004-02-25 08:05 am UTC (link)
	I'd be terrified/amused to see what her reaction to gasp taking psych medication would be. Does my Xanax make me scum more than therapy? I'm curious now! seethe (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-02-25 05:23 pm UTC (link)
	I'm on Effexor, Wellbutrin, seeing a psychiatrist, and having talk therapy as well. I obviously crawled out from under a rock somewhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	katsue 2004-02-25 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Crawls out from under a neighbouring rock (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: musette 2004-02-25 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	Ahhh Wellbutrin, how I love thee. I'm off it at the moment but it's saved my arse on more than one ocassion. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cleolinda 2004-02-25 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	nuzzles fresh refill Yeah, considering how widespread and mainstream antidepressants and/or therapy are these days, that's a really idiotic position the OP's taking. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: musette 2004-02-26 01:25 am UTC (link)
	One would really think the stigma would be gone by now, but apparently not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-02-25 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Getting medical attention is bad. Good tip. Thanks, angry fancel lady! (Reply to this)(Parent)

katsue
2004-02-25 06:11 pm UTC (link)

I'm, alas, waaaaaaaaaaaaay to used to hearing this kinda shit - admittedly, it's usually phrased in a slimy, snidey, discriminatory round-about way rather than so bluntly abusive.

Interesting standards this girl has - it would seem that attempting to get help for one's problems/issues = bad, while taking one's problems/issues out on others (which is most certainly what she's doing in the bit you quoted) = good.

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	also_not_a_pipe 2004-02-25 06:23 am UTC (link)
	I'm no sore loser. When I'm mad about something I curse and I insult and if it wasn't through the web, I'd use brute force, too (throwing tables, etc). But it's good that she isn't a sore loser. (Reply to this)

	eiviiaru 2004-02-25 07:06 am UTC (link)
	I love how, in her special little wanky world, there is no step between "wins every contest" and "is inferior scum of the earth and should not do art at all." waaaaaage (Reply to this)

Good God!

garlicbug
2004-02-25 07:33 am UTC (link)

And I thought I had bad artist angst... o_o;

Stay away from this one, she's gonna explode in a mess of gore and woe any moment now.

If I'm not even good enough to win all contests that I enter, I might as well consider writing plain text novels, at least there're no graphics to screw up and nothing to be embarrassed of.

Good God on a cracker. I have no words, except perhaps 'Don't bother with the waaambulance, it's too late for her.'

Improving is nice, but wastes materials. Hence, I CANNOT afford practicing! Everything MUST succeed at the first attempt.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! (because if I didn't laugh, I would cry)

Thank you for posting this wank; it was a welcome reminder that even though I'm not a very good artist, at least I'm not a moron. Now if you excuse me, I have fanart to finish.

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	Re: Good God! sagralisse 2004-02-25 03:24 pm UTC (link)
	Stay away from this one, she's gonna explode in a mess of gore and woe any moment now. ::Offers plastic tarp:: Oh don't go yet. It'll be fun! You know, like when Gallagher smashes the watermellon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Good God! garlicbug 2004-02-25 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, fine, fine. I guess a little hyperviolence never hurt anyone. And watermelons! sparkle Of course, now I have the urge to make a 'Critical Mass Wank' icon using Fist of the North Star screenshots... damn it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Good God! sagralisse 2004-02-25 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know what that is. Is it nicer than exploding ~~gore and woe~~ watermellons? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Good God! garlicbug 2004-02-25 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	It's an anime (and manga) infamous for the main character being the only person in the world capable of making heads explode just by poking them in the forehead. If I remember correctly. Is it nicer than exploding ~~gore and woe~~ watermellons? No... but it looks remarkably similar at times. Never heard of Gallagher until you mentioned him. Strange fellow. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Good God! sagralisse 2004-02-25 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Looks like we both learned a valuable lesson today. No matter what differences lie between our generations and and cultures, we all likes us some explody stuff. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	deoridhe 2004-02-25 01:02 pm UTC (link)
	puts on Soma Momiji hat Wai~!!! So~meone!!! I didn't win all my co~ntests!!! Wai!!! They're being mea~n to me~!!! Wai~!!! No one understa~nds me!!! Wai~!!! Change the contests or I'll throw out all my stu~ff!!! Oh... wait... even Momiji isn't this childish, even at his worst... Bitch... please. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2004-02-25 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	Momiji, what a pity you don't understand, You wank me by the heart when you wank me by the hand, Momiji, you're so snitty, can't you understand? It's wankers like Momiji! Oh what you do, 'miji, do, 'miji, You broke my mind, 'miji! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	... deoridhe 2004-02-25 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	... falls over, cackling like a loon I think you broke me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: ... smo 2004-02-25 10:18 pm UTC (link)
	offers you Superglue Better? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: ... deoridhe 2004-02-25 10:57 pm UTC (link)
	glues self back together buffs cracks with nail file Much. Thanks!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ari_ 2004-02-25 01:48 pm UTC (link)
	from this reply: You remind me of a Mozart composition hmm but I will paraphrase "Diffizile Lech Du Mich im Arsch" falls over while laughing hysterically Best insult ever. ('Leck Du Mich im Arsch': German for 'you can lick me in my ass') (Reply to this)

	phosfate 2004-02-25 04:01 pm UTC (link)
	I'm...good God, I've never seen an artist behave so badly. This child needs help. ::unfolds lawn chair, eats popcorn:: (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lessis 2004-02-25 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	::unfolds lawn chair, eats popcorn:: Would it surprise you if I said that was my typical response to seeing a post or thread started by her? Sometimes it's dull othertimes it's hilairity. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-02-25 10:17 pm UTC (link)
	Not in the least. Soda? ::offers:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lessis 2004-02-25 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	Ohh Thank you ::sits back:: Raisenettes? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-02-25 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	Ooo, thank you! (Reply to this)(Parent)

thread part I

sagralisse
2004-02-25 04:22 pm UTC (link)

That thread is great but the board is miserably slow. Here's the whole thread (for the busier mockers):

Subject: The FINAL update ^-^ (Sat Feb 21 22:56:26 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

I think I never made any site more appropriate
than this! The layout suits my HTML skill level.
The graphics suit my artistic skill. The text
suits my sense of humour. And that way, with no
files up, I'm no longer paying anything :)
I think it's great!

My cels are still at Rubberslug, but I will, I
think, take down the fancels. I'm really
embarrassed about them. Dunno, why open my eyes
only NOW that it's too late to hide my worthless
scribbles from the public..? DAMN^^;;

Anna
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Subject: Re: The FINAL update ^-^
Author: e-n-j

Dear Anna,

I have to confess and be honest. I have watched
your posts for quite a while now staying on the
fringes, and cringing at times, seeing you battle-
on-through the fire, never giving up in your
pursuit to shock and impress. I had chosen not to
reply to many controversial things that have
expired with your posts and comments since you
have arrived here.

Some of your posts appeared to me for the fun of
shock value :o, others down right witch-craft-
laced, Err...Well you know how opinionated you
get... ;-)

(I actually, liked your semi-nude photo though..I
still remember how it inflamed everybody, but
ah..)
Ah yeah, anyway...

This time you have struck a chord with me. I
think that your this post is very amusing and
shows great signs of maturity ;-)

I liked it! Have a good one..

E
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Subject: Wow. Somebody knows me without knowing me. Sounds wrong...
Author: fancels-org

Pal... I HATE, no, I DISALLOW mistakes about my
personality or my thinking. In public, anyways.
DO NOT judge me without any confirmation of what
you're saying. Ok?

1. "never giving up in your pursuit to shock and
impress."
Dunno. Are you lying on purpose or are you simply
easily shocked and impressed? Let me inform you:
Europeans are less easily shocked about some
things than Americans are. That is NOT an offense
but a fact, proved by all the censorship in
American media. So maybe I, as a European don't
expect things I post to shock anyone because I
consider them ok? Like, some ppl are shocked
about homos while IMO no mature person should
think it's shocking/offending. Dark Ages are over.

2. "down right witch-craft-laced"
WTF are you talking about? I'm no fricken wiccan.
Talking about the ability to feel presences?
That's nothing special, all you need to know in
order to do it is that every brain ejects some
kinda waves, and very sensitive ppl, like me who
gets stoned by the mere sidestream smoke of
hasch, can sense them. Try it. Mentioning that
ability is, to me, the same as someone else
saying "I ate a cooky": no big deal.
--Lectue end--

3. "I actually, liked your semi-nude photo
though..I still remember how it inflamed
everybody, but ah.."
Thanks. But here we're back to point 1: HOW could
I know some ppl are immature enough to be all
shocked about a harmless bitty nudity?? Not
talkin' about running around naked, but why the
heck be going hysterical about some tasteful
nudity on paper?? We're no infants now, are we?
Nudity and pornography are 2 different matters...

4. "this post is very amusing and shows great
signs of maturity"
Yeah, I know what you're thinking: "Poor kid
can't take a defeat". Correction.
a) I can take a defeat from an opponent I deem
worthy.
b) THAT is NOT why I'm mad. I am NOT mad at Lia
or the winner as you may think. I'm mad about
myself for being overconfident after too much
praise/success and I have a hard time digesting
the retrieved truth. WHY the hell are you
twisting my words when you obviously don't even
understand them? And no, it is NOT because my
English is poor. I know you CAN understand what I
write. You just don't WANT to.

Btw, you're very familiar with me. What made you
think you know me well enough? Your reply shows
you don't.

Anna

PS I pose you a simple question. By answering it
correctly, you obtain the right to (carefully)
judge me. Question: Am I more a dog or a cat
person, and why? What makes me get along with
that animal more than the other?

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	Re: thread part I limyaael 2004-02-25 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	I HATE, no, I DISALLOW mistakes about my personality or my thinking. I now have the insane image of Miss Hurt Arteeste hitting the people who say things like that to her and saying, "No, I disallowed mistakes! No takebacks! To infinity! Two times over!" Of course, given the general tone of the rest of her threads, that might not be too far off. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: thread part I sagralisse 2004-02-25 06:52 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. Considering they aren't mistakes per se but rather insights from people who think Miss Hurt Arteeste is just another wanker and not the center of the universe. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Thread II

sagralisse
2004-02-25 04:27 pm UTC (link)

Subject: Re: Wow. hold on.. : -)
Author: e-n-j

Maybe you protest too much, eh? :-)

You're words here are all that you have here,
they are all that you are to me--nothing more and
nothing less. I am not your enemy. I hold no ill
will. I pretend not to know you. I think that my
comments should neither incite your angry or
ridicule, it is all in good fun, but be that as
it may or has, I am not the one to hold you back
or reduce your hold on the ranting and raving
that that seem more hobby to you than cel
collecting. But, I bow to your pardon young
maiden of fire, or should I say dragon mistress?

Please indulge me your full wit and senses, so
that I may partake in the--YOU--as you see fit to
be portrayed: human, cat, or animal. I find you
totally amusing and adorable. My judgements are
not more than compliments, although you have not
seen this lighter side of things. For a moment I
found that your comments firted with a
sensibility that I had not come to read in your
most literal of posts. Alas, again you did not
disappoinnt in your vulgar response.

Speaking Europe, lets take Vienna--
You remind me of a Mozart composition hmm but I
will paraphrase "Diffizile Lech Du Mich im Arsch"
his is a little different, K232 , k233 perhaps?

Whatever-- (*tipping my hat* and hiding my smile)

e

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Is it just me or is it really getting ridiculous? N/T - fancels-org
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Re: You know the answer to that-- :- ) N/T - e-n-j
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Subject: Re: Re: Wow. hold on.. : -)
Author: ari_

> "Diffizile Lech Du Mich im Arsch"

*falls over, laughing hysterically*

I love you.

(but, tiny nitpick: 'leck', not 'lech')
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Subject: Re: Wow. Somebody knows me without knowing me. Sounds wrong...
Author: Nobody you know. Or don't ;)

You know...Counseling helps.

Wheee, what a touchy soul.

BTW your fancels aren't "scribblings" or
whatever. Seriously, give yourself more credit.
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Subject: My "fancels" are outside, in a waste paper bag, waiting to be picked up n/t
Author: fancels-org
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Subject: Don't suppose your cel of Yuuki is included in that bag...
Author: Startyde

If so,

hell, I'll pay for shipping, send it to me. Good
stuff...
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Subject: Yes it is. But... (Mon Feb 23 23:12:54 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

...I'm not giving it away. Nothing personal, but
when I can't enjoy the result of my own hard
work, I don't want anybody to. If I would, I
would have put it on eBay to drain some money
from those who have too much of it if they lower
themselves to spend money on my junk.
It's not only cels in those waste paper bags.
Drawings, comics, prints... I hope some of the
foxes of this area rip that junk to shreds before
any passer-by thinks they're nice and takes them
to enjoy the shit that *I* could not enjoy...
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Subject: Btw, who the hell are you? More... (Mon Feb 23 23:24:04 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

...counseling? You mean, going to a shrink? Only
the inferior deranged GARBAGE of society goes
there to lie on a couch and tell a perfect
stranger that they're God...
THANKS for the insult though! Tell me who you are
and I'll be sure to find a heavier insult than
that. You know, when *I* insult ppl, I mean to
really hurt them. I once made a guy cry so bad
that he didn't see the car he was running into.

Let's play! I have 3 guesses as to who you are.
-A fancel artist, but not Hyperenity or Forky
-One of the contest winners
-an old customer of mine
If all 3 are wrong, you may give me another quiz
to your identity and if I fail again, I get one
last chance and after that, no need to tell me
who you are. Sounds like fun, 'sn't it?

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	Re: Thread II iczer6 2004-02-26 12:57 am UTC (link)
	...I'm not giving it away. Nothing personal, but when I can't enjoy the result of my own hard work, I don't want anybody to. With this attitude I think she'd be better off as a villian in a anime series than an artist. Jesus Christ how self-centered is that? 'I hate my work so I won't let anybody else enjoy it!' (Reply to this)(Parent)

Thread II

sagralisse
2004-02-25 04:28 pm UTC (link)

Subject: Re: Btw, who the hell are you? More... (Tue Feb 24 00:26:57 2004 )
Author: Nobody you know. Again.

Someone who has actually benefited a lot from
counseling to deal with a lifetime of self-hatred.

Not only do I not tell the counselor I'm God, I
don't lie on a couch. I merely discuss life with
someone older and wiser than I, who is able to
help me accept my own imperfections and
inadequacies, and recognize that I'm actually a
pretty successful and competent human being.

*I'm* a scribbler. I'd love to be able to draw
half as well as you. I thought your cat thing
was totally hilarious, and I liked it a lot.

I was suggesting counseling in total jest, but
you really ARE hard on yourself. If you don't
believe in counseling, well, hey, lots of people
don't. Please don't take it seriously.

(From an expert on overreacting. Been there,
done that, bought the T-shirt).
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Subject: Re: Re: Btw, who the hell are you? More... (Tue Feb 24 00:31:33 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

Well. I forgot that there's not only the
psychiatrist (for the *****) and the psychologist
(for the normal with a need to talk).
Yet I'm not hard on myself, I only refuse
illusions. Somebody telling me that all is great
won't help me, just like some small talk won't
help. Only a miracle thing that makes my work
always perfect like that of certain others would
help.
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Subject: Last gasp from me... (Tue Feb 24 01:10:01 2004 )
Author: Nobody you know :-)

Don't forget that your "loss" was the opinion of
ONE person who had a hard time making up her
mind, (or his??) according to the site. And
apparently valued something -- although I really
am hard pressed to guess exactly what -- more
than professional looking art. Other people's
mileage may vary. In other words,

1) We may not agree that your submission was
worse than the others; in which case

2) It is a logical fallacy to say that your
getting 3rd rather than 1st price = you suck.

Your art does NOT suck. There will always be
some artist whose work is more appealing than
yours to SOME person for whatever reason. But
you don't suck. (MY art sucks. But I'm too
chicken to show it to anyone.)

:-)

There. I'll shut up now.
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Subject: Re: The FINAL update ^-^ (Mon Feb 23 18:19:05 2004 )
Author: aionster

Frankly, I did not like most of your fan cels. I
think they were lacking in a lot of areas.
However, if you really want to do them well, why
not pursue training in art? Most colleges don't
require you to draw or paint well in order to
take art classes, unless you are trying to get
into a very high level place like the Art
Institute. I love to draw and paint. Some of my
fanart is good, in my opinion, some is not. None
of it is professional quality. But I love it, so
I do it, and I work to improve, and some day soon
I think I will get that art degree. The point is,
instead of getting discouraged, get motivated.
If you don't care, fine, let it go, and don't
waste time. But there are lots of people who
start out as terrible artists but with time,
training, and practice, become very good. You
must not be so sensitive though, if people
criticize you- because then you will not improve-
you have to realize that some criticism really is
constructive, and everyone learns from mistakes
(though not all mistakes, and not all the time).
^_^

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Thread II

sagralisse
2004-02-25 04:28 pm UTC (link)

Subject: Re: Re: The FINAL update ^-^ (Mon Feb 23 23:41:08 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

You know,
1) How can I know my cels have flaws if nobody
ever points them out, but only babbles mindless
praise all the fricken time?
2) Improving is nice, but wastes materials.
Hence, I CANNOT afford practicing! Everything
MUST succeed at the first attempt.
3) I did get motivated by criticism once, but
understand that the motivation is scarce when I
realize "I lost to a scribble - my skill is below
scribbles".
4) After 4 years no progress = Hopeless
5) There are ppl better than me = I suck
6) I've had NO success at all xept some fools
buying my junk on eBay because they smoked
something bad.

But all this defeat has brought me back to where
I was a year ago: a realist knowing that her
stuff sucks. All the sudden confidence and joy
over my stuff where illusions brought through the
parties I suddenly joined: all my boys blow, and
their sidestream smoke affected my brain. Hence I
built up some false confidence, but now my brain
seems to be sober again and I see reality again.
This reality is: everything I do sucks and I know
no joy
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Subject: umm (Tue Feb 24 02:41:41 2004 )
Author: meow

With an attitude like that...You have no place
being an artist...or even trying to be one...

Think about it.
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Subject: loooooool, the eternal "attitude" rambling, SPARE ME! (Tue Feb 24 16:39:36 2004 )
Author: fancels-org

Guess what: anyone who produces art is an artist,
pal. 's nothing to do with attitude.
Anyone who smokes is a smoker. Anyone who sells
is a seller.

Learn it, pal.

The bitch needs to step off my name. She's getting her stupid all over it.

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	Re: Thread II sagralisse 2004-02-25 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	If y'all would just pretend that I know how to number things correctly, I'd appreciate it. ^_^ (Reply to this)(Parent)